Gee...what a shock-more Socialist...voters

[BigBear]

Sry... I seem to derail threads easily...

[cebeu]

"...thread so far off course. I blame BigBear for bringing up weed!"

heh heh

Thread drift is good...

9th Circus Court Ruling --> to Felons --> to Socialist association --> to Capital Punishishment --> to Humboldt County Homegrown --> to ???

Good enough for my low-end ass!

[Irving]

Cebeu: I was going to point out that you were confusing Democrats with Socialism, but you did it on purpose with the intent to be insulting to the Democratic party. There's literally nothing else I can say. Cheers.

I agree with Mutt about everything except the whole tax bullshit. Mentioning taxes while discussing the legalization of drugs or prostitution is a complete and total cop out. In no way does the government need, nor deserve a single dime more taxes than they already steal from the populace as it is now. There is a whole list of reasons why legalizing drugs would benefit (and not destroy) society (list well started by Mutt) and taxes doesn't even make it onto the list in my opinion.

There is a huge market for legal, slightly regulated marijuana in this, and every country. The private market benefits far exceed any benefit the gub'ment would have by stealing inflated taxes out of the market.

Right now as it stands, despite common perception, marijuana is NOT on the correct path towards legalization that will benefit society at all. Medical marijuana is a complete and utter failure and it will start to show in the next 12 months or so. Placing marijuana into the most regulated industry (medical) is a huge mistake and will not solve a single marijuana related issue in this country. It won't remove pot drug dealers, it won't reduce prices, it won't reduce sentences or keep people out of jail.

I laugh at all the discussions of medical marijuana going on right now. On one side of the coin you have a rush of young males faking non-specific "chronic pain" so they can get their hands on the medical pot card that allows them to grow their own pot or legally purchase it from a distributor. Way to go geniuses. You just traded buying high quality pot at extremely marked up prices when you can still buy it off the street faster and for cheaper. Or, now you think you're going to grow high grade pot and sell it to your friends and make bank. Instead of getting busted for selling pot like before, now you're going to get busted for selling a controlled substance to people. I'd personally rather get busted growing/selling pot than Oxycontin or something similar.

On the other side of the coin we have cities that are racing to create legislation that will keep dispensaries a certain distance from schools and from each other. Why? Before legal dispensaries came along, schools had the most publicly available pot in town, now they are just second place, and the presence of a dispensary isn't going to change that fact any more than the presence of a Wal-greens pharmacy effects the levels of oxycontin flowing through the hallways of that same school.

Let's talk about the effort to keep dispensaries at least 1,000 ft apart from each other. Why? similar stores in close proximity to each other allows customers to enjoy lower prices and more variety, which is bettter for business. Furniture stores do it, fast food places do it, and diamond sellers are notorious for it. There is a place in some large city, New York, Chicago, LA, some where, where one city block contains over 1,000 diamond distributers. Why would they cluster together like that when they could just as easily be the ONLY kiosk in a suburban mall? Simple, by locating next to each other, their customer flow greatly out numbers the trickle they'd get in the malls. They can keep their prices lower and more competitive when their 700 customers a day can price shop by walking a few feet, compared to their 200 customers a day having to drive all over town to price compare. They don't have to sell to everyone because there are more than enough customers to go around. Happy customers equals happy, and more importantly, profitable businesses. These cities trying to pile on unneccessary and short sighted regulation on dispensaries don't even realize that they'll have a difficult time taking inflated tax rates from dispensaries if it is too difficult for any of them to stay in business. Politicians are so stupid that they ONLY have even considered legalizing marijuana due to the allure of slapping a sin tax onto the industry, and are already trying to slap profit killing (for everyone) regulation into the industry right out of the gate.

Mark my words, unless there is a serious laxing of regulation, medical marijuana will be an utter failure in the years to come. Since it's the medical industry, that will never happen. Prices will remain high, drug dealers will remain rampant, people will go to prison faster and stay longer, and that pipe dream of "think of all the taxes!" will remain elusive. Anyone who isn't a politician working for the city should be ashamed to even bring taxes up in a discussion about marijuana.





Oh yeah, and before I forget. If you are a CCW walking down the street and happen upon an active shooter at a post office or an elementary school, run across the street and save the day, you just committed a very serious felony and have removed your rights. You knew the consequences before hand though, so it your fault for saving innocent lies and you deserve to pay the price, no votes and no guns. No one is going to stand up for you for saving their kids though, because you broke the law.

[mutt]

In no way does the government need, nor deserve a single dime more taxes than they already steal from the populace as it is now.

Ah Stuart, you and I would get along so well. We can agree on this. While I do mention potential tax revenue from legalization, I only really mean it as a stark contrast to the billions wasted on enforcement. In the end, I'd much rather see govt keep their greedy hands out of it.

But oh no, are we now steering this thread down another unrelated subject?

[cebeu]

Cebeu: I was going to point out that you were confusing Democrats with Socialism, but you did it on purpose with the intent to be insulting to the Democratic party. There's literally nothing else I can say. Cheers.law.

No confusion here Stuart, none.

[Mtn.man]

sounds like a plan,, I mean how else can we continue to elect professional politicians that have NO experience to the highest office.

And don't forget them Judges that pay no taxes and continue to TELL us what the law is.

[theGinsue]

I personally think that once you are out of prison, and aren't on any type of probation, then you should no longer be considered a felon and should have your full rights restored, but this sounds like he wants people who are currently incarcerated to be able to vote. I disagree with that, as not being able to vote comes with being incarcerated.

I also tend to agree with Stuart's position on this (along with his further explanation). Either you've paid your price to society, or you haven't.

[BigBear]

....professional politicians...