ATF DEMANDS LIST OF 80% AR LOWER BUYERS

[clodhopper]

Good luck to the ATF on recovering lowers from those 5000 people. I doubt that select group of people will take too kindly to the ATF making a house call.

[crays]

OMG!!!!!!!!! BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!!!!!

[Aloha_Shooter]

My initial inclination was to fall on the company's side but this

From what I can gather, ATF is accusing Ares of making polymer lowers then filling in the lower with a different polymer, creating a lower then making it an 80% lower.

Ares says they make the filings first then mold polymer around the fillings keeping it as an 80% lower and never completing the lower.

at least gives me pause. If that's really what they're doing, I can at least see the ATF's point that this process isn't the same as having to machine out an unfinished piece of cast or forged metal. I'm still not sympathetic to the idea that ATF can charge in demanding records like this but the process described above -- if accurate -- just reminds me of kids I've dealt with arguing they aren't really watching TV because they just happened to be in the room with the TV on or it's okay to have ice cream before bed despite not eating their vegetables at dinner because they weren't really hungry at dinner but they are now. Bad analogies but so is molding around the fillers that need to be removed and claiming that's the same a traditional "80%" finished piece of metal.

[baglock1]

My initial inclination was to fall on the company's side but this ...

... least gives me pause. If that's really what they're doing, I can at least see the ATF's point that this process isn't the same as having to machine out an unfinished piece of cast or forged metal. I'm still not sympathetic to the idea that ATF can charge in demanding records like this but the process described above -- if accurate -- just reminds me of kids I've dealt with arguing they aren't really watching TV because they just happened to be in the room with the TV on or it's okay to have ice cream before bed despite not eating their vegetables at dinner because they weren't really hungry at dinner but they are now. Bad analogies but so is molding around the fillers that need to be removed and claiming that's the same a traditional "80%" finished piece of metal.

Your pseudo-defense of the ATF (and yes, I realize you're not really defending them as much as bringing up a different perspective) might mean something to me if the ATF wasn't acting in a manner contrary to the Constitution, and not just in regards to the 2A. As far as I'm concerned, their behavior, over a variety of situations, has made them an agency that needs to be shut down.

[lowbeyond]

Seems reasonable. Law is the law and they enforce the law.

Why should anyone question the kind souls who are just doing their job?

[BPTactical]

Seems reasonable. Law is the law and they enforce the law.

Why should anyone question the kind souls who are just doing their job?

[Irving]

Who broke the law here, the FFL or the customers? Both?

[brutal]

Seems reasonable. Law is the law and they enforce the law.

Why should anyone question the kind souls who are just doing their job?

[rbeau30]

Who broke the law here, the FFL or the customers? Both?

The ATF for enforcing illegal laws.

And the very existence of the bureau offends me on top of things.

[RMAC757]

Maybe they should be more concerned with the goings on in Oakland. What a waste of money and resources.