Just when you think the Republicans can't lose....Abortion bill

[TFOGGER]

I'll say this to ALL politicians: STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY BEDROOM, MAILBOX, COMPUTER, DOCTOR'S OFFICE, AND PERSONAL FINANCES. UNLESS MY ACTIONS ADVERSELY AFFECT ANOTHER, THEY ARE NO ONE'S CONCERN BUT MY OWN!

[Zundfolge]

Y'all know me, I'm not one of these people that believes that social conservatives should just shut up and become Godless libertines to win elections. I believe that strongly conservative candidates that oppose infanticide can still get elected because at best the country is 50/50 divided on the issue and we're actually trending TOWARD the pro-life position (that and becoming "Democrat Lite" won't gain you a single vote ... people that would be turned toward you for that will still vote Democrat).

But for the love of God people you still have to think tactically ... proposing such a thing when you know you can't even get it out of committee but just enough time before the election that it will motivate the pro-abortion folk to come out in force is just asinine.

I'll say this to ALL politicians: STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY BEDROOM, MAILBOX, COMPUTER, DOCTOR'S OFFICE, AND PERSONAL FINANCES. UNLESS MY ACTIONS ADVERSELY AFFECT ANOTHER, THEY ARE NO ONE'S CONCERN BUT MY OWN!

Yeah, like killing them?

[Hound]

I'll say this to ALL politicians: STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY BEDROOM, MAILBOX, COMPUTER, DOCTOR'S OFFICE, AND PERSONAL FINANCES. UNLESS MY ACTIONS ADVERSELY AFFECT ANOTHER, THEY ARE NO ONE'S CONCERN BUT MY OWN!

+1000

[SvenJorgensen]

I hate abortion and can't imagine ever making that choice but to force that belief on someone else is wrong and goes against a person's freedoms.

One of the follies in the attempt to criminalize abortion is that it limits the freedom of a group on the basis of the moral and religious convictions of another group. The purpose of government should be to provide and protect freedoms, not limit them. Another is that law and government is not supposed to chose sides, nor does religious doctrine validate or have any dictation over what is "right" and "wrong." If the pro-choice argument ever wanted to stand on it's own two feet it needs to distance itself from the religious wackos and feel-gooders.

[Bailey Guns]

^^ "Pro choice"? That's a laugh. A perfect example of how liberals lie and twist an argument to benefit their agenda. Liberals believe in "choice" about as much as I believe in little green men from Mars. Gov't shouldn't be in the abortion morality debate one way or the other, as you stated.

On the other hand, someone who believes abortion is morally wrong should be free to voice that opinion without being vilified just like someone who believes it's a "choice" should be free to voice that opinion. And that's the problem with the abortion debate. The left won't allow a politician to hold a contrary opinion on the issue, regardless of whether or not that opinion would affect the way that person would govern. When someone on the right does voice that contrary opinion the left uses any means necessary, including lies and character assassination, to destroy that person. And people on the "right" usually take the bait.

Sometimes I wonder if people who call themselves conservative even know what that term means.

[merl]

^^ "Pro choice"? That's a laugh. A perfect example of how liberals lie and twist an argument to benefit their agenda. Liberals believe in "choice" about as much as I believe in little green men from Mars. Gov't shouldn't be in the abortion morality debate one way or the other, as you stated.

On the other hand, someone who believes abortion is morally wrong should be free to voice that opinion without being vilified just like someone who believes it's a "choice" should be free to voice that opinion. And that's the problem with the abortion debate. The left won't allow a politician to hold a contrary opinion on the issue, regardless of whether or not that opinion would affect the way that person would govern. When someone on the right does voice that contrary opinion the left uses any means necessary, including lies and character assassination, to destroy that person. And people on the "right" usually take the bait.

Sometimes I wonder if people who call themselves conservative even know what that term means.

The "choice" in this issue is that one side says "Don't want an abortion, don't have one" and the other side says "Abortion is wrong. You may not have one." One side allows a choice and one side makes the government dictate action.
When someone on the right tries to influence by words they are free to do so. When that same person introduces legislation to force the decision they deserve to be torn apart (verbally).

In this specific issue the left is saying it is an individual decision and the right is for more government control.

[Bitter Clinger]

Can anyone here explain to me why abortion, in and of itself,is not murder. But when a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged with double homicide?

[Irving]

Can anyone here explain to me why abortion, in and of itself,is not murder. But when a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged with double homicide?

Sure, it can be explained. Would you be open to ANY answer different than you want to hear?

[asmo]

Sure, it can be explained. Would you be open to ANY answer different than you want to hear?

+100

[Zundfolge]

One of the follies in the attempt to criminalize abortion is that it limits the freedom of a group on the basis of the moral and religious convictions of another group. The purpose of government should be to provide and protect freedoms, not limit them. Another is that law and government is not supposed to chose sides, nor does religious doctrine validate or have any dictation over what is "right" and "wrong." If the pro-choice argument ever wanted to stand on it's own two feet it needs to distance itself from the religious wackos and feel-gooders.

Using that logic then any criminalization of murder is wrong. This myopic notion that opposition to abortion is nothing more than theocracy is just foolishness.

There are many reasons that have nothing to do with religious convictions to oppose abortion (I'd argue that there's even a Libertarian argument against it as its a violation of the non-aggression principal).

I think we as a culture can have an honest debate about the issue (probably not here though because this is a gun forum) but we need to be honest about what both sides want and don't want and what actually motivates them.

No, pro lifers aren't using the law to shove Christian doctrine down your throat and force women to be barefoot and pregnant any more than pro choicers are gouls that want all those dead baby jokes they told in grade school to come true.