Snowden interview 05.28.14

[Jer]

Amazing how these days intelligence is perceived as arrogance by those threatened by said intelligence.

[ZERO THEORY]

Arrogance I can deal with. Ted Cruz is arrogant. Chesty Puller was arrogant. I don't agree with your assessment, but even if he is arrogant (subjective), so what? He could wear extra small, bedazled Ed Hardy shirts and have a guido blowout haircut for all I care. The fact of the matter is that he exposed the dangerous precedent the US government is setting. Let's focus on that.

[DavieD55]

I find it curious that 'we' all demand that the government be brought back to reason and limited power. We complain about unconstitutional laws, bureaucratic red tape, and the failure of our system. Then someone circumvents the corrupt government and exposes their illegal, dangerous, treasonous, and careless actions. What do 'we' do? Yell about how he's a criminal and should've stayed within the confines of the very system we keep acknowledging is broken.

Are 'we' really that loyal to the letter of the law, even when the law tramples on our rights? Why should he play by rules that serve only to violate his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Why should we obey or observe laws that allow the administration to literally perform extrajudicial executions of American citizens, perform surveillance without precedent, and nullify our land/assets?

Not only did he try to send it up and get told to tow the line, but even assuming he had "gone through the proper channels", how long do you think he'd have a pulse afterwards? There's a reason he was hiding in a Russian hotel room, afraid to even step out into the hall. And it wasn't schizophrenia or conspiracy theories.

This^^^^^^^^ The fact is we don't know who Snowden is or what he is all about. We only know what the MSM wants us to believe.

[<MADDOG>]

I haven't really followed this gentlemen closely, and I just watched the interview, so please excuse my ignorance. That being said, I don't qualify him as a patriot or a traitor. From what I gathered, he just stated what most of us already suspected: the government can tell where and when you farted via your electronic devices & communication.

Our supposed trade partners and allies have done much more damaging intelligence gathering on the US than this.

Am I missing something?

Oh, and I think some of the members have went full tilt to the left with name calling with zero substantiation!

[Limited GM]

It's difficult to come to a conclusion when you never know if anything you're seeing is true. OJ walked because all the facts weren't allowed to be viewed.

confidence is similar to arrogance. I've known many of each who were thought to be the other.

[Gman]

The fact is we don't know who Snowden is or what he is all about. We only know what the MSM wants us to believe.

The same can be said for the guy that was elected to the most powerful position in American government.

[Rabid]

I find it amusing that any thread Snowden gets mentioned in suddenly turns into a patriot or traitor argument .

[Irving]

Aloha explains more of his position here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/125255-...hlight=Snowden

[henpecked]

Some folks are de facto above the law, others are simply below its radar screen, and then there are the milkable masses in the middle.

and

Corruption is the abuse of power by a public official for private gain or any organized, interdependent system in which part of the system is either not performing duties it was originally intended to, or performing them in an improper way, to the detriment of the system's original purpose. The abuse of public offices for private gain is paradigmatic of corruption.

A common belief is that corruption is a judge taking bribes. The definition exceeds this theory. Corruption describes any organized, interdependent system in which part of the system is either not performing duties it was originally intended to, or performing them in an improper way, to the detriment of the system's original purpose.


Corrupt judicial systems not only violate the basic right to equality before the law but deny procedural rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution.
While corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and mail fraud.; it is not restricted to these activities. In this country, corruption is so common that it is expected when ordinary businesses or citizens interact with government officials. The end-point of political corruption is a kleptocracy, literally "rule by thieves".

more to think about

American judges are very devious, and use all sorts of techniques to prevent a victim from getting justice. Lots of judges issue gag orders, and bans on freedom of speech, to help prevent other people from finding out what is going on. Judges set up a trial in all sorts of ways, giving orders that all sorts of evidence be hidden from a jury, for example. The judge may declare, for example, that the evidence that proves you are innocent or right, will not be allowed at the trial.

The truth is that, inside America, a nightmare has begun. The lawyers and judges and courts, "playing the game", regularly trample upon the freedoms that Americans thought they had.



Just my 2 cents........

[funkymonkey1111]

Have you guys seen that Joe Nacchio claims he was targeted because he refused to allow Qwest to participate in an NSA intelligence program?