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I have a couple of left hand turn signals in my daily commute that I deal with using the Carrolla method (check mirror for cops, blow through them if safe).
For the vast majority of Americans, driving is the most dangerous thing they will ever do. The most dangerous maneuver in driving is making a left hand turn.
If you don't like them, move to Detroit. They have almost no red left turn arrows. In fact, most left turns are illegal in Detroit. Going North and want to go West? Turn right, go 1/8 to 1/4 mile and make a U-Turn. Cut down on accidents significantly, saved tons of airborne pollutants and cut commute times by 20%. Granted, only thing good about Detroit, but their traffic engineering is great.
I don't like red turn arrows, but I don't want my wife and kids killed by an idiot that does not know how to drive either.
I would give your rant 7/10 if you also implemented an eye for an eye policy when someone else's ignorance, selfishness or stupidity costs someone else their freedom because they caused an accident. Get rid of car insurance too (since those who should have it usually don't anyway) and implement a justice court system for auto-mobile accidents and I'd give you a 9/10.
How is a U-turn not just a longer, more difficult to execute left turn?Originally Posted by MarkCO
"There are no finger prints under water."
No shit. Many lights up here were recently changed to flashing yellow arrows and a lot of people have no clue.
....and then there's the turn arrow with the pickup loop that's tuned to react only to an 18 wheeler loaded with 80000 lbs of drill pipe, so that any number of motorcycles short of the entire membership of the Hell's Angels won't trigger the damn turn arrow. If I had a dollar for every time I've had to sit through an entire light cycle before running the goddamn red left turn arrow, I could have bought every election in the state for the Republican party. Allegedly, all the fucking cameras are supposed to be for vehicle detection so that doesn't happen, but I ain't buyin' it. Buncha syphillitic Democrat cockholsters trying to generate revenue....
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In Detroit, they actually have lanes made specifically for U-turns. With the wide medians that they have, it is about a 20 mp sweeping turn then merge into traffic. Not U-turning into a through lane.
So is the idea that they just relocate the left turns to side streets that theoretically have less traffic than the main thoroughfare?
"There are no finger prints under water."
You can make lefts in neighborhoods and such, but not on main streets. Like Wadsworth, Kipling, Alameda, Bowles, etc. would all be no left turn streets. The traffic lights at the cross of main intersections let 40% more traffic flow through since they don't have everyone sitting for the turns. The U-turns are mid-block as well, not actually at intersections. On less used feeder streets, they do use the traffic circles.
It has probably even saved tourists lives by not making them late in the "less inviting" parts of town.
Hmm, what do you know, they even have a web-page explaining it:
http://www.michiganhighways.org/inde...igan_left.html
I did not realize they were a "Michigan" thing since Detroit Metro is the only MI destination I have ever been to.
Last edited by MarkCO; 11-04-2014 at 11:06.
Interesting concept.
"There are no finger prints under water."
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