Grand Jury Decides Not To Indict Cop In Eric Garner Chokehold Case

[KestrelBike]

I was wondering why the forum has been quiet on this one. I don't know man. Looks kinda bad for the cops here, based on the video I saw. If there's more to see/know I'd like to see it.

Nope, not cop bashing. Just looks bad.

Do NYPD even get that much training? (seriously asking) because it seems like there must be so many of them due to the size of NY, that quality control could be difficult (especially if they're doing secret affirmative action type recruiting.. and not just race-based, but overall qualifications type selection). Don't forget, two years ago a couple NYPD shot *NINE* bystanders while aiming at 1 suspect.

[stoner01]

Speaking from my experience on administering "choke holds" and the procedures afterwards, there is some degree of negligence here. I was taught, and it was hammered into us, if you use a Coratid control hold, after the subject is under control you check vitals and move them so they can breathe. You call dispatch and request medical immediately.
I can't attest to the training that NYPD gives, but again if the Empire State building shooting is any indication, shit.

[stoner01]

I'm also going to add that a Coratid hold doesn't involve actually choking someone. You apply pressure to the sides of the neck to temporarily deprive the brain of oxygen. It's supposed to be used on violently resisting subjects.

[HoneyBadger]

Disagree. Even though he qualifies his statements by saying he hasn't seen all the evidence that's exactly why he, of all people, should trust the grand jury system. How can a judge say, with a straight face, a person should be indicted for a crime when he hasn't seen the evidence. That's like the judge saying, "We don't need to go to trial and listen to all the witness testimony and review the physical evidence. I've seen the video. Guilty."

Valid points. In hindsight, it does seem a little strange that he would come out and pick a side without seeing all the evidence. Maybe he knows something we don't.

Speaking from my experience on administering "choke holds" and the procedures afterwards, there is some degree of negligence here. I was taught, and it was hammered into us, if you use a Coratid control hold, after the subject is under control you check vitals and move them so they can breathe. You call dispatch and request medical immediately.
I can't attest to the training that NYPD gives, but again if the Empire State building shooting is any indication, shit.

Thanks for sharing. I can't believe the guy wasn't immediately cared for.

[bryjcom]

I agreed with the Wilson/Brown GJ decision.. This one however is a little different.

We have complete video evidence of before and during the incident. The cop used a banned procedure and ended up killing someone. The video speaks for itself.. Is there any other evidence that would contradict the evidence??? I doubt it. Did the cop intend to kill him??? I don't think so.

The fact is, the cop broke the rules and killed someone, just as if we break the rules of self defense and kill someone, we should get arrested.

The grand jury deciding not to indict in this case is a travesty.. He should be arrested for voluntary manslaughter, not some "severe departmental action".

Remember, he killed someone... That's not to be taken lightly....

[KAPA]

Im trying to figure out why they were trying to arrest him for selling a cigarette? I mean isn't arresting him a bit much here? Shouldn't this be a ticket at the most? He was basically loitering.

I blame the politicians that pass laws like this. Bloomberg with his big gulp ban comes to mind. If not for these crap laws that infringe on our freedoms there never would have been a confrontation here.

The ironic thing is the people that tend to vote these types of politicians into office are the same ones that tend to be affected most by them.

[Bailey Guns]

I agreed with the Wilson/Brown GJ decision.. This one however is a little different.

We have complete video evidence of before and during the incident. The cop used a banned procedure and ended up killing someone. The video speaks for itself.. Is there any other evidence that would contradict the evidence??? I doubt it. Did the cop intend to kill him??? I don't think so.

The fact is, the cop broke the rules and killed someone, just as if we break the rules of self defense and kill someone, we should get arrested.

The grand jury deciding not to indict in this case is a travesty.. He should be arrested for voluntary manslaughter, not some "severe departmental action".

Remember, he killed someone... That's not to be taken lightly....

Policy violations aren't criminal. Breaking department rules isn't criminal. If NY state law prohibited choke holds that would be different. Obviously you're privy to evidence the grand jury didn't have.

[bryjcom]

Policy violations aren't criminal. Breaking department rules isn't criminal. If NY state law prohibited choke holds that would be different. Obviously you're privy to evidence the grand jury didn't have.

Man.. you're f'ing crazy..... The cop strangled a man and killed him... Yes I believe it was by accident but this is NOT a case of self defense... I sure would like to be "privy" to the "evidence" that the GJ has, that would contradict the complete video.



What's interesting is you're starting to see a lot of conservatives come out and say the decision was bullshit as well...

[DavieD55]

I agreed with the Wilson/Brown GJ decision.. This one however is a little different.

We have complete video evidence of before and during the incident. The cop used a banned procedure and ended up killing someone. The video speaks for itself.. Is there any other evidence that would contradict the evidence??? I doubt it. Did the cop intend to kill him??? I don't think so.

The fact is, the cop broke the rules and killed someone, just as if we break the rules of self defense and kill someone, we should get arrested.

The grand jury deciding not to indict in this case is a travesty.. He should be arrested for voluntary manslaughter, not some "severe departmental action".

Remember, he killed someone... That's not to be taken lightly....

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[RMAC757]

Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?