War in Afghanistan "over"

[KestrelBike]

the afghanis. they always win. they can outlast anyone. we cant spend enough to win, russia couldnt spend enough to win.

No one's tried genocide yet. Soviets started to take the gloves off, but not nearly enough. Ghengis Kahn kinda won.

[Mick-Boy]

Afghanis are money. Afghans are people.

Alexander the Great did it (sort of, through marriage). Genghis Khan did. His legacy still exists in the Hazara population that's present in the area to this day.

I guess the question to ask is "What were our goals in Afghanistan?"

-Defeat Al Qaeda?
-Defeat the Taliban?
-Deny a staging/training/operating area to Al Qaeda?
-Conquer the country?
-Establish a stable government?

How much military involvement is needed for our national goals? Is increased or decreased military involvement helping or hurting those goals?

[bobbyfairbanks]

did we accomplish any of those goals? And if we did, will it have made a difference in 2 years,5 years, 10 years, next month?


and to answer you question...

I am clearly dont know all the facts when it comes to national security (or anything else probably)
but...
I think the more involved we are the worse off our country is. If there were good numbers, would they show there were more terrorists or at least USA haters then or now? I would think now. We have created an entire generation of people who may have been somewhat undecided about the US, but are now decided that we are the devil. How can we think of Afghans as terrorists in their own country? We attacked them. If a country sent their military here, attacked us, decided they would show us the proper way to live, how to make money, tell us we couldnt be armed, what would we be? Think about it folks.

I take my hat off to you sir.

[BushMasterBoy]

[mcantar18c]

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I've known plenty of them who genuinely appreciated what we had done/were doing.
I've also known plenty of them who hated everything about us.
Then there are the ones that are nice to your face and gladly accept your help and gifts (food, medical, etc.), and then turn around and play nice with the Taliban too. Some of those are playing both sides, others are just trying to get by as best they can.
I definitely don't think we've created an entire generation of people that now hate the US. We've done a lot of good in some places.

[Zombie Steve]

Who runs the poppy trade now?

[bobbyfairbanks]

Oh let me guess. The US Tax payer? Oh wait no we have been paying the DEA to go on combat ops to shut that down and tried to force afghan farmers from a cash crop to growing corn in the desert.

[wctriumph]

Never mind.

[Chad4000]

Who won?

bahhahaha lol

[flogger]

Shouldn't there be a parade or something like VE and VJ day? I'll bet the 10,000 'Sentinels' like the news!

It's always amazing how the media will bury things like this.