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It surprises me when some threads get hundreds of responses yet others, with news which potentially will have a great affect on our lives, get <10 posts. [head-shake]
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Originally Posted by Spdu4ia
Frustrating isn't it.
Last edited by roberth; 10-22-2015 at 06:48.
It happens (in my case, anyway) because sometimes it's best not to post in "the heat of the moment". I know lots of things make me so angry I need some time to chill and give it some thought and let it rest. This is one of those times.
On the other hand, it isn't surprising. With many gov't actions and court decisions over the last few decades that fly - obviously - in the face of law and tradition it serves to harden the emotions. Doesn't mean a guy won't continue to do what he can to reverse the problem, if that's even possible, but that it's just a reminder the war is far from over and yet another skirmish has broken out.
All I can do in the moment is shake my damn head...and continue to hate liberals and liberalism.
Last edited by Bailey Guns; 10-22-2015 at 06:45.
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Lack of replies doesn't mean lack of concern, OR Action. Everyone here (ok most) feel the same way. Why parrot the same thing, over & over.
When i asked for assistance with some needed work. I received 2-3 replies. The ph calls and pm's on the other hand, were over whelming.
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I am a lurker in these forums, just look at my post count. But, I have been a member of these forums for many years. Like Kazoo said, "Lack of replies doesn't mean lack of concern, OR Action."
I take action and encourage others in my sphere of influence to take action. I read these forums to stay informed and to help spread the word to my coworkers, family and friends. Thanks to the OP for bringing us this story. At this point, our best course of action is to be educators, activists and voters. Most of all, to be prepared for whatever may come.
It will be appealed. In their decision, the Court stated: "In the absence of clearer guidance from the Supreme Court or stronger evidence in the record, we follow the approach taken by the District Courts and by the D.C. Circuit in Heller II and assume for the sake of argument that these “commonly used” weapons and magazines are also “typically possessed by law‐abiding citizens for lawful purposes. In short, we proceed on the assumption that these laws ban weapons protected by the Second Amendment."
They then go on to state that strict scrutiny is not required, and add unsubstantiated claims like "By their terms, the statutes at issue implicate the core of the Second Amendment’s protections by extending into the home, “where the need for defense of self, family and property is most acute.” semiautomatic assault weapons and large‐capacity magazines are commonly owned by many law‐abiding Americans, and their complete prohibition, including within the home, requires us to consider the scope of Second Amendment guarantees “at their zenith.”79 At the same time, the regulated weapons are not nearly as popularly owned and used for self‐defense as the handgun, that quintessential self‐defense weapon.” Thus these statutes implicate Second Amendment rights, but not to the same extent as the laws at issue in Heller and McDonald."
and "These weapons are disproportionately used in crime, and particularly in criminal mass shootings like the attack in Newtown. They are also disproportionately used to kill law enforcement officers: one study shows that between 1998 and 2001, assault weapons were used to gun down at least twenty percent of 9 officers killed in the line of duty." The first is wrong, as handguns are more commonly used, and the second fails in that this horrific period of danger to LEOs fell right in the middle of the AWB when these exact laws were in full effect on a national basis.
My favorite: " Large‐capacity magazines are disproportionately used in mass shootings, like the one in Newtown, in which the shooter used multiple large‐capacity magazines to fire 154 rounds in less than five minutes. Like assault weapons, large‐capacity magazines result in “more shots fired, persons wounded, and wounds per victim than do other gun attacks.” Professor Christopher Koper, a firearms expert relied upon by all parties in both states, stated that it is “particularly” the ban on large‐capacity magazines that has the greatest “potential to prevent and limit shootings in the state over the long‐run.” The shooter at Newtown could have used a backpack full of replica 1851 cap and ball black powder revolvers to shoot 26 unarmed, trapped victims. It would also seem that relying on the same "expert" as your opponent is a bad strategy. Funny how none of the mass shootings where limited capacity magazines were used to commit mass murder were mentioned.
Last edited by Rucker61; 10-22-2015 at 09:41.
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This also gives me hope that SCOTUS will grant cert to this case when appealed. They flat out stated that the law violates the 2nd. Previous decisions would just obstinately deny that any infringement occurred.
The above is so blatantly false that I hope it is setting things up for an easier reversal. How does 2 out of 9 demonstrate a "disproportionate" use? On the other hand, wackier decisions have been allowed to stand.
I'm sure the conservative justices want to take it up, but only if they think they'll succeed in reversing the lower court. The pessimist in me says that the SCOTUS is done with the gun issue and will allow it to wither on the vine by way of unfailingly deferring to the "judgment of the legislature."
Thanks to unbridled immigration importing millions of new D voters, and D's promising ever-increasing bread and circuses for the masses, the influence of the Republicans will wane and more gun control is in our future.
Last edited by Rumline; 10-23-2015 at 14:55.
Why do we allow these judges to stay on the bench a day longer again?
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