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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY View Post
    The number of physically-capable American men who join the military and then go combat arms is pretty slim, as well. What part do you not agree with? Do you really think that there is just some giant pool of women 17-30 who are dying to join the infantry, but couldn't, so they got jobs as social workers instead?
    I don't think I implied any of that, nor does any of it matter. My only point is that it is a weak argument to say that being in the military is difficult. Men and women have toiled and fought their way through the highs and lows of the entire history of the human race together. There are plenty of things in life that are equal to, and even surpassing the difficulties of combat roles in the military, and if women were as fragile and frail as they are made out to be, they would have died out thousands of years ago. There aren't that many good arguments against women in the military, so let's not waste our breath even discussing topics like hygene, carrying weight, staying awake, or even rape. Our women don't have to go intobattle to face potentially being raped by men, hell that starts in middle school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    ...(snip)... and if women were as fragile and frail as they are made out to be, they would have died out thousands of years ago. ...(snip)... Our women don't have to go intobattle to face potentially being raped by men, hell that starts in middle school.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I don't think I implied any of that, nor does any of it matter. My only point is that it is a weak argument to say that being in the military is difficult. Men and women have toiled and fought their way through the highs and lows of the entire history of the human race together. There are plenty of things in life that are equal to, and even surpassing the difficulties of combat roles in the military, and if women were as fragile and frail as they are made out to be, they would have died out thousands of years ago. There aren't that many good arguments against women in the military, so let's not waste our breath even discussing topics like hygene, carrying weight, staying awake, or even rape. Our women don't have to go intobattle to face potentially being raped by men, hell that starts in middle school.
    You must be selectively reading.

    My argument is that the performance of the extraordinary GI Janes who sets a precedent for 51% of our population is irrelevant because of the nature of warfare. While women do tough things in life that I couldn't do, there isn't much historical precedent for civilizations that sent women into battle (as a rule) and prevailed.

    If what you have said is true, then we wouldn't be having this conversation because women would have a millennia long record of serving in combat right next to men. It would be non-controversial.

    And don't get me spun up on "rape culture." First world rape is an anomaly, so much so Feminists have to invent ways to get rapped ("I didn't say yes even though we're both naked in bed and I kept going" and "he lied to me" or "I regret it now"). Absent rule of law (aka any warzone) it is a regular occurrence and mostly unreported. You may have heard of the recent scandal involving a certain Army officer who reported the regular and unmitigated (through leadership) rape of children in Afghanistan. Same deal and those were our "allies" with which women would hypothetically serve.

    This is a hard reality and doesn't change based on how strong, capable, or worthy a woman is.

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