Trump carries

[68Charger]

Alot of us are already terrorists in the eyes of the government. We own guns, we discuss the constitution, liberty, independence, economics, capitalism, right-wing politics, some might be classified as preppers, I could go on.

True, but it's still not as bad as being an enemy of the state where you can be jailed or worse just for not agreeing with the state

[68Charger]

So, Trump carries then?

Carries what? New Hampshire?

It might almost be worth it if he won, just to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left... He is to them what Obama is to many of us- they'll think the world is coming to an end, and their under developed amigdylas won't deal well with that fear.

[roberth]

True, but it's still not as bad as being an enemy of the state where you can be jailed or worse just for not agreeing with the state

Agreed.

[TFOGGER]

Trump is a self serving narcissist that will say anything to advance his own agenda. The difference between him and the self serving narcissist that will say anything to advance his own agenda that already occupies the White House is that Trump is not nearly as effective at disguising his self serving narcissism. Think of it as a transparent bag of poop, as opposed to an opaque one with deodorizer. My prediction: Cruz gets the nomination for the GOP, Trump throws a tantrum and runs as an independent, and Hitlary/Biden/Bloomberg wins the presidency. Bernie is the outlier here, if he runs as an independent as well, everything is up in the air. Trump could very well win in that case.

[Martinjmpr]

Trump is a self serving narcissist that will say anything to advance his own agenda. The difference between him and the self serving narcissist that will say anything to advance his own agenda that already occupies the White House is that Trump is not nearly as effective at disguising his self serving narcissism. Think of it as a transparent bag of poop, as opposed to an opaque one with deodorizer. My prediction: Cruz gets the nomination for the GOP, Trump throws a tantrum and runs as an independent, and Hitlary/Biden/Bloomberg wins the presidency.

Yup, this is how I see it going down with 1 more addition: After it's over, Trump goes back on TV and brags that this was his plan all along and that Republicans are teh stoopid for supporting him.

Bernie is the outlier here, if he runs as an independent as well, everything is up in the air. Trump could very well win in that case.

I don't see this happening, Dems are still steamed at Nader for running as a 3rd party candidate.

[davsel]

We gave the House to the R's in 2012 - they've done nothing we wanted them to do and they promised to do with their majority.
We gave the Senate to the R's in 2014 - they've done nothing we wanted them to do and they promised to do with their majority.
We forced Boehner out of the top spot in the House - they replaced him with Ryan who immediately passed Obama's Omnibus bill.
So, remind me again why we want to give the Presidency to the establishment R's (Jeb, Marco, or Ted) in 2016.

Trump is the only one running as an R who is not in the pocket of the establishment R's (Rand Paul is now out).
Jeb, Marco, and Ted are all loyal members of the same party leadership that we put in the Congress in 2012 and 2014 - see above. What makes you think they will turn out a different result than seen above?

Therefore, Trump is the only one who has a chance to win because he is running on the R ticket, and the only one who will go against the establishment.

Third party will not win. Wish it could, but it will not.

In the end, we will never have a good candidate for any office due to the Ann Barnhardt Axium:

The fact that a given person is holding or seeking high-level public office is, in and of itself, proof that said person is morally and/or psychologically UNFIT to hold public office.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't want Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, or Joe Biden picking the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices. I didn't want Obama picking the 2 that he did but McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough for some people so we gave those picks to a dedicated anti-American socialist. Seeing people call Cruz or Rubio "establishment" is about as entertaining as seeing Hillary defend her illegal actions on the vast right-wing conspiracy.

Cruz pisses me off on some things, Rubio pisses me off on some things, Trump pisses me off on a lot of things. Guess what, no one is going to agree with you 100% on everything. I will vote for any of the Republican candidates -- including ones who have dropped out -- over the prospect of another 4 years of Democrat control of the White House and the continued damage to the Constitution if they get to nominate any more SC justices.

[Zundfolge]

So, remind me again why we want to give the Presidency to the establishment R's (Jeb, Marco, or Ted) in 2016.

Because the alternative is to put someone worse than Obama in office.

If a Democrat is our next president, America is over. Period. (of course even if its a Republican that doesn't mean we're saved ... at this point I'm pretty well convinced that America will not be saved).

[davsel]

[davsel]

Trump is an 9/11 truther moron asshat, I don't care if he carries.

Great argument.
I was not aware of the 9/11 truther bit. Where does that assertion come from?