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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    I agree. Sort of.

    It's just difficult for the average Joe (myself included) to know what is or isn't as good or better than mil spec. Especially when it comes to some of the metals used. Keep in mind the materials that were specified to be used haven't changed since then 1960's or 70's. Does that mean there aren't materials today that would work equally as well or better than the originals? I doubt it. In fact, I would bet there are much better suited materials these days for items like bolts, barrels, etc. I even believe several very prominent manufacturers use some non spec materials in some of their parts as an improvement over the originals.

    Also, if we were all honest about things, the majority of us aren't deployed in some sort of combat situation and likely never will be. And if we were, the government would see fit to issue us a genuine, mil-spec model. My guess is that any properly assembled rifle using decent materials and reasonable quality control will probably serve a person well.

    Maybe that DPMS or whatever won't make it to 30,000 rounds without some sort of failure. I guess if you had $12,000 or so to spend on ammo you could see how that $500 rifle holds up. Of course, if you had that kind of money to spend on ammo you might just buy a nicer rifle to begin with.

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    I agree to a point. Yes the average guy/gal won't spend $12K on 30K of ammo. But seeing the vast array of currently available options out there it boggles the mind why people choose to spend close to the same amount of dollars, or in some cases more than it would cost you to buy or build a proven Rifle from a proven Mfg, or parts supplier.

    I have seen at the range in the last 3 years far too many pot metal bolt catches, undersized chambers, poorly fit barrel exstensions, canted stocks, non-staked gas keys
    and castle nuts, weak or wrong springs, non tested bolts, A-2 sight posts on a flat top upper, oversized gas ports, incorrectly installed FSB's/Gas blocks, wrong weight or sized buffers. Granted some of this is straight Bubba work. A lot of it is the Mfg. screw up though. You don't need to spend $1,500 to get a decent stick. But springing for a deal that's to good to be true, probably is. Will the average trigger puller see any of this? Yes. They may not be able to articulate it, or understand why thier Rifle is unreliable or inaccurate, perhaps chock it up to the range gods, Tula ammo, or the fact that "it ain't broke in yet" but if it doesn't work. It's stupid.

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    $10k tops...but I'm probably not normal or average...
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