SWATting turns deadly

[Ronin13]

That's right. It's difficult to come up with an answer, even after reading all the reports and watching the YT videos and discussing it ad nauseam on internet forums. Now imagine how hard it is when you're the one behind the trigger making the split second decision without the benefit of internet experts to guide you. Sometimes bad decisions are made. Most of the time, thank God, these men and women make the correct decision under the most difficult of circumstances...again without the guidance of internet experts.

What just irritates me to no end is this rarely happens with any other profession. A doctor screws up and someone dies non-medical "experts" don't get on the internet and spout off about how the procedure that killed the patient should've been performed. They don't say the doctor wasn't using the right tactic or procedure for what s/he was doing. A pilot screws up and crashes an airplane and people die non-pilot "experts" don't get on internet forums and say "he should've used a little right rudder and adjusted the thrust" or some shit. But when a cop screws up, or even appears to screw up from the perspective of a 10 second video clip, everybody's suddenly a fucking expert on police tactics, procedures and training. And I'd venture to say that most of the "internet experts" are complete non-hackers who wouldn't last a shift in a busy city.

Yeah. It pushes my buttons. Always has, always will.

I'm right there with you. I've worked several jobs/professions in my life, but never one where people who have ZERO experience constantly try to tell me and my partners how to "better do our jobs" until I got into the Law Enforcement game. It not only grinds my gears, it really disappoints me that thanks to the internet everyone is an expert on LE procedure.

[Irving]

I'm right there with you. I've worked several jobs/professions in my life, but never one where people who have ZERO experience constantly try to tell me and my partners how to "better do our jobs" until I got into the Law Enforcement game. It not only grinds my gears, it really disappoints me that thanks to the internet everyone is an expert on LE procedure.

Part of keeping the peace is de-escalation and conflict resolution with direct interaction with the public, which nearly every single person does nearly every single day. It doesn't take knowledge of a super secret "LE procedure" to understand how to interact with people or be able to tell when someone has screwed up in doing so. In addition, the general public is the very target of "LE procedure," so they have a highly vested interest in how well things are working. If a specialized doctor screws up some procedure and a patient with a rare medical condition dies as a result, most people won't have that condition so they won't care. However, the police deal with "the public" which includes every single person in the country, including the LE community. The quicker you can get over the idea that the most basic part of your job some how makes you above reproach from the public, the better your quality of life will be.\

EDIT: I'm not sure how to word my post so it doesn't sound like I'm harassing you, but that isn't my intent.

[Bailey Guns]

Part of keeping the peace is de-escalation and conflict resolution with direct interaction with the public, which nearly every single person does nearly every single day. It doesn't take knowledge of a super secret "LE procedure" to understand how to interact with people or be able to tell when someone has screwed up in doing so. In addition, the general public is the very target of "LE procedure," so they have a highly vested interest in how well things are working. If a specialized doctor screws up some procedure and a patient with a rare medical condition dies as a result, most people won't have that condition so they won't care. However, the police deal with "the public" which includes every single person in the country, including the LE community. The quicker you can get over the idea that the most basic part of your job some how makes you above reproach from the public, the better your quality of life will be.\

EDIT: I'm not sure how to word my post so it doesn't sound like I'm harassing you, but that isn't my intent.

Well, sometimes deescalating the situation requires somebody gets shot. Especially some moron that can't follow simple instructions like "DROP THE KNIFE" or "LEMME SEE YOUR HANDS". I'm not talking necessarily about this incident. Just like a I wasn't necessarily talking about this incident with my last post.

I don't think it really has anything to do with (or very little) people having a vested interest in police procedures because they're the "very target" of those procedures. I think police work can be very ugly. People want it done but they oftentimes don't want to see it or the outcome. Especially in this day and age when so many are more "enlightened". Most people can't imagine fighting with someone in the middle of the night on the side of the road, after you've been stabbed in the face with a screwdriver, until you almost pass out from fatigue, because that's a very ugly thing to think about, much less to do. And then, when they actually see it on YouTube, they just can't believe the cop didn't do this or didn't do that or didn't shoot the guy in the leg. And they say shit like that because they don't have the experience of having done that and they most likely never will. They haven't received the training from people who've been there and done that and recommend it be handled a certain way because that's what works best within the framework of the law.

Yes, officers practice deescalation all the time, day in and day out, and it usually works. Sometimes it doesn't though, and it's tragic. Officers don't have an unlimited amount of time to deescalate. Not to mention that whole "deescalation" thing is a two way street. People are obligated to follow lawful orders issued by the Gestapo police. If you don't think a lawful order applies to you don't be surprised when the officer deescalates the situation by tasing you or throwing you on the ground or maybe even shooting you.

Like many other things in life, people are often their own worst enemy...especially when they deal with the police.

[brutal]

I'm right there with you. I've worked several jobs/professions in my life, but never one where people who have ZERO experience constantly try to tell me and my partners how to "better do our jobs" until I got into the Law Enforcement game. It not only grinds my gears, it really disappoints me that thanks to the internet everyone is an expert on LE procedure.

Close second is IT.

However, I do enjoy second guessing my doctors.

[Gman]

Close second is IT.

However, I do enjoy second guessing my doctors.

Agreed on both counts. "Why are our computers so expensive? I see them for $400 at Best Buy."

I keep my doctors on their toes by being informed and asking solid questions.

[Jer]

Close second is IT.

Move!

However, I do enjoy second guessing my doctors.

They're just trying to make money while they can because WebMD is going to put them all out of business soon enough.

"Man, my shoulder is a bit sore today"

*checks symptoms on WebMD*

Oh dear gawd I'm dying!"