Looming Government Shutdown (again)

[Ronin13]

As much as I hate penalizing those who are not responsible for it, I am very much in favor of NOT paying the furloughed hours. Yep, you heard me, leave the workers out in the cold. Sounds jerky? Yeah, a little. But because there is virtually no repercussions to shutting down the govt, the stupid politicians have no compunction with playing brinksmanship games. If all the .gov employees stand to lose out on pay, the pressure to avoid a shutdown would be massive.

Although, those same .gov employees did in fact, elect all those bozos, so maybe they should be responsible for a pay loss.....

Schumer's bullchit sound bites are over the top, since his side didn't get the same issue done the entire Obama presidency.

I say go one step further- No government funding, no pay for anyone in Congress. Wanna fly home for the weekend? Sorry, YOU shut down the government, therefore, you cannot use .gov funding to travel.

[Aloha_Shooter]

.gov shutdown is the only shutdown that costs more than continuing to operate normally. As always, they will retro back everyone's missing pay, plus pay additional contractors to close down/reopen facilities and pay contractors any delay costs/fees due to delays in direction or payment. Even at full shutdown, something like 80% of the government is deemed essential and still show up for work.

That was true when Clinton and Obama were president but they intentionally made the shutdowns as harmful and chaotic to the public as possible in order to win political points. I suspect Trump and Congress will provide back pay for the furloughed workers but that Trump's OPM will declare dramatically fewer "essential" workers and that the shutdown will be done in a way to minimize rather than maximize impact on the general citizenry.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Since none of these idiot senators or representatives are qualified to be in the positions they hold (like any of them really ever were...) how bout funding the mystery percentage that really do get work done with any amount of proficiency......and send these A holes out of their cozy offices for one full year. Your office, your house, your car...everything considered an asset to you is off limits, and you have to truly get employed at whatever you really are capable of doing...without any up scale assistance.

Yes, you retarded fat cat not getting it done, you have to get a real effing job all on your own. Flip burgers, wash cars, what the hell ever it is you can actually manage to successfully perform to the standard where you don't get fired for incompetency. Yes, you must live in a shithole and ride a bus perhaps, work really hard and you might be able to move into a better shithole for the latter part of your year long REALITY check. Fukkers. Lose your upscale healthcare with zero waiting time, pension and retirement for eternity..... earn your dollar menu meal tonight.....and STFU.

One Year.

I'd love to greet them every morning with a solid elbow check across the cheek when they walk out of their motel 6 kitchenette and say, "You've got some work to do today, better get back up before you miss that bus".

[TheGrey]

My job doesn't get furloughed unless the gov't reaaaaaally runs out of money.

On the other hand, if you have savings (like you should) then furloughs are paid vacations for gov't workers... since that all gets paid when a budget is approved. Really silly political exercise, tbh.

Not necessarily. We have savings, yes. Our savings now must be used because these scrofulous sons-of-bitches in Congress deem illegals more important than the government workers that have been doing their jobs quietly and efficiently, and are now sacrificed as examples for some gigantic tantrum. I find it outrageous that the cavalier attitude of "you have savings, enjoy your vacation," is rampant, yet the attitude of "you have money, so you can afford it," ruffles feathers. Our hard-earned money and savings have been earmarked for other things, and yet now we have to use it for living expenses. There is no guarantee that back pay will be paid. Try living with that.
It is a stupid act that has very real repercussions to people.

And no, "80%'" of government workers are not deemed necessary/mission-essential. It depends on who's in charge at the time of the tantrum.

[hurley842002]

Since none of these idiot senators or representatives are qualified to be in the positions they hold (like any of them really ever were...) how bout funding the mystery percentage that really do get work done with any amount of proficiency......and send these A holes out of their cozy offices for one full year. Your office, your house, your car...everything considered an asset to you is off limits, and you have to truly get employed at whatever you really are capable of doing...without any up scale assistance.

Yes, you retarded fat cat not getting it done, you have to get a real effing job all on your own. Flip burgers, wash cars, what the hell ever it is you can actually manage to successfully perform to the standard where you don't get fired for incompetency. Yes, you must live in a shithole and ride a bus perhaps, work really hard and you might be able to move into a better shithole for the latter part of your year long REALITY check. Fukkers. Lose your upscale healthcare with zero waiting time, pension and retirement for eternity..... earn your dollar menu meal tonight.....and STFU.

One Year.

I'd love to greet them every morning with a solid elbow check across the cheek when they walk out of their motel 6 kitchenette and say, "You've got some work to do today, better get back up before you miss that bus".

AAAAAMEN BROTHER! Now I'll go back to wondering if I'm going to receive a paycheck next pay period, Lord knows I'll be working, probably pulling overtime for those who will be "sick", knowing they will get their sick leave returned to them.

[TheGrey]

As much as I hate penalizing those who are not responsible for it, I am very much in favor of NOT paying the furloughed hours. Yep, you heard me, leave the workers out in the cold. Sounds jerky? Yeah, a little. But because there is virtually no repercussions to shutting down the govt, the stupid politicians have no compunction with playing brinksmanship games. If all the .gov employees stand to lose out on pay, the pressure to avoid a shutdown would be massive.

Although, those same .gov employees did in fact, elect all those bozos, so maybe they should be responsible for a pay loss.....

Schumer's bullchit sound bites are over the top, since his side didn't get the same issue done the entire Obama presidency.

Really? Thank god YOU'RE not in charge.

I am married to one of the government employees, and NO, we did NOT "elect those bozos." Thanks fr that cavalier attitude of "you could stand to lose a little pay." Nice understaning of how the furlough actually works. Because, you know, all government workers are both heard and listened to by the asshats at the capital, when they disagree with policy. Yeah.

[hollohas]

I don't get it.

2013: Dem Senate and Dem President = Republican's fault the gov shutdown.

2018: R Congress and R President = Republican's fault the gov shutdown.

What am I missing? How is it the R's fault no matter what?

Oh yeah, the media is corrupt.

[hurley842002]

Really? Thank god YOU'RE not in charge.

I am married to one of the government employees, and NO, we did NOT "elect those bozos." Thanks fr that cavalier attitude of "you could stand to lose a little pay." Nice understaning of how the furlough actually works. Because, you know, all government workers are both heard and listened to by the asshats at the capital, when they disagree with policy. Yeah.

Yup!

Some of us will still be working with no pay check, not that many will care, because .gov workers and all that.

[hurley842002]

I've been talking to a few people on this. Furloughed people pay attention.

It is my understanding that you can collect unemployment, especially if this carries on awhile. Do that on first opportunity. Obviously, you will have to pay it back when the salary gets backpaid, but it will ease your reliance on savings. To satisfy any work requirements, feel free to apply at NASA and for various engineering positions across the country. Or any fun high paying job you always wanted. Who knows, you might get it.

Some gov't agencies are wholly unaffected by this having budgets that reach back 2 years, five years, or in our case... forever (although OBM wouldn't let you reach back too far).

Yeah I was reading the "Government shutdown guidance" at work today, and depending on what state your duty station is, you would need to refer to their rules on unemployment.

[HBARleatherneck]

Active-duty troops, as well as Guard and Reserve members, would not get paid during a shutdown unless Congress passes a separate piece of legislation to do so.

That means if a shutdown starts Jan. 19 and stretches into the next several weeks, troops' Feb. 1 pay will be delayed.
Retiree Pay and SBP Payments

Military retirees would still receive their regular pension checks in the event of a shutdown, as would those receiving a Survivor's Benefit Plan (SBP) payment.

That's because those funds are paid from a different account that is not impacted by the annual funding bill Congress has yet to pass.
Troops Killed in Action

Newly bereaved family members would not receive the Pentagon's $100,000 death gratuity during a shutdown or military-funded travel to Dover Air Force Base, Delaware, or elsewhere for the dignified transfer or military funeral or memorial.

Servicemembers Group Life Insurance (SGLI) payments, however, would not be affected.
va disability pay & gi bill benefits

Like retiree pay, VA disability pay and GI Bill payments are both funded through different legislation than is at risk on the Hill. For that reason, those checks are unlikely to be affected by a brief shutdown.

However, during the last shutdown in 2013, VA officials warned that if the closure extended beyond several weeks, disability checks were unlikely to go out to more than 5.1 million veterans.