Denver Bump Stock / Binary Trigger / Mag Ban

[TFOGGER]

I see a serious challenge to the Meyers decision in the not too distant future. They seriously f-ed up by not grandfathering existing mags, even to the extent that state law did.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

This is why I want to beat the short-bus, recoil-retard Bump-stock "mah-gun' idiots into a stupor with their bump stocks.

And we all know, with out saying it out loud what the next ATF oddity is that they'll use as an excuse.

I can't believe that the mag issue with some sort or grandfathering failed by one vote because one of the council persons who would have voted for it didn't attend.

This thing goes live as soon as the mayor signs it too. That is crazy when you consider the press barely mentions the magazine issue and says that it matches the state level.

IDGAF about how how it isn't the bump-stock morons fault. It is a way to get things done. It has been 5 years since the state level moved. They left it alone for half a decade.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I do want to commend Councilman Flynn for his attempts as fixing the magazine issue. He voted against the whole bill because of it. The magazine grandfathering one form did get a 6-6 vote. There was one more councilperson that would have voted for it, but they didn't attend. That made the difference.

I'd like it if people would thank Mr. Flynn for standing up as he did.

Kevin.Flynn@denvergov.org

We have to show support and appreciation for those willing to buck the system, even way behind the lines like Denver is becoming. We need to focus on the 'n+1' solutions on this. From the original AWB ban that was upheld on a tie vote in court (IIRC) to this vote on magazines, it all came down to a single vote. Even in Denver there are allies, who may be imperfect to the most stringent among us- but are the key to legislatively getting better outcomes.

I've contacted a local attorney that I know that does criminal defense to see who he thought might be someone good to try to challenge this starting with a preliminary injunction.

What exactly do you legally do with a magazine that you can't transfer?

If I don't hear back from him tomorrow morning, I'm going to contact the NRA-ILA. I really don't want them involved because of the optics, but this is why we donate money.


ETA: Kopel's is trying to be too cute. His ploy is to try to open the NFA registry for new machine guns.

Bumpstocks were always going to bite us in the ass because the mantra has been that ARs are not machine guns. Bumpstocks made that line of differentiation hard to explan in light of the videos from LV.

“Gun violence is often coming from a home base,” said Councilwoman Robin Kniech, who cited domestic violence as a major reason impetus against allowing larger capacity magazines to be kept in homes.

It is hard to make up something that stupid.

[Gman]

Denver City Council votes to ban bump stocks

DENVER -- The Denver City Council voted Monday evening to ban bump stocks, the device that can increase the speed in which a gun can be fired.

It is also now illegal to have a magazine that holds more than 15 rounds, down from 21 and putting the city in line with state laws. The ban was supported 11-1.

The Las Vegas shooter used a bump stock on at least one of his weapons during the rampage that killed nearly 60 people in October, allowing him to fire as many as 90 rounds in 10 seconds.

The bill bans any device for a pistol, rifle or shotgun that increases the rate of fire and repeated activation of the trigger.

Denver is just the second city in the country to pass such a ban.

The state legislature is considering similar action. Hearings are underway at the Capitol to implement a statewide ban on bump stocks.

"Having seen what's happened in Las Vegas, being concerned in Colorado, I think it's reasonable we outlaw the purchase and sale of bump stocks," said State Sen. Michael Merrifield, D-Colorado Springs.

But its chances of passing in the State Senate, which is controlled by Republicans, is slim.

"It's just one more example of government overreach, meaning well and trying to address some of the issues, but the result is we make life harder for law-abiding citizens," said State Sen. Owen Hill, R-Colorado Springs. "And we don't do anything to solve the crime, which is bad people with guns.

"Even is we pass something here in Colorado, there are 49 other states where you can buy it online. The internet has upended all of this. It's well-meaning, but at the end of the day, it takes away the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens and doesn't cut down on gun violence."

Fines under the new Denver law could be as much as $1,000 and up to 180 days in jail.

11-1...

"Missed it by *that* much."
-Maxwell Smart

[Jer]

I do want to commend Councilman Flynn for his attempts as fixing the magazine issue. He voted against the whole bill because of it. The magazine grandfathering one form did get a 6-6 vote. There was one more councilperson that would have voted for it, but they didn't attend. That made the difference.

I'd like it if people would thank Mr. Flynn for standing up as he did.

Kevin.Flynn@denvergov.org

We have to show support and appreciation for those willing to buck the system, even way behind the lines like Denver is becoming. We need to focus on the 'n+1' solutions on this. From the original AWB ban that was upheld on a tie vote in court (IIRC) to this vote on magazines, it all came down to a single vote. Even in Denver there are allies, who may be imperfect to the most stringent among us- but are the key to legislatively getting better outcomes.

I've contacted a local attorney that I know that does criminal defense to see who he thought might be someone good to try to challenge this starting with a preliminary injunction.

What exactly do you legally do with a magazine that you can't transfer?

If I don't hear back from him tomorrow morning, I'm going to contact the NRA-ILA. I really don't want them involved because of the optics, but this is why we donate money.


ETA: Kopel's is trying to be too cute. His ploy is to try to open the NFA registry for new machine guns.

Bumpstocks were always going to bite us in the ass because the mantra has been that ARs are not machine guns. Bumpstocks made that line of differentiation hard to explan in light of the videos from LV.




It is hard to make up something that stupid.

The only legal solution and what they're hoping for is that you destroy it or surrender it to local LE to have it destroyed for you or donate it so that they can use it. You know, the CITIZEN comprised LE that should have the same rights as all of us as matters such as magazine size but hey... we created a separate class of citizens just so some can be deemed more responsible than others. *rolls eyes*

[Great-Kazoo]

Denver City Council votes to ban bump stocks

11-1...

"Missed it by *that* much."
-Maxwell Smart

Obviously the DCC has been operating in the cone of silence for some time.

[Gman]

Obviously the DCC has been operating in the cone of silence for some time.

I think it's more like a libtard echo chamber. They're in their own little world with a common mental disorder.

[Irving]

I think it's more like a libtard echo chamber. They're in their own little world with a common mental disorder.

That's pretty much the definition of every echo chamber.

[kidicarus13]

What exactly do you legally do with a magazine that you can't transfer?

The technical answer is, as a law-abiding Denverite you need to destroy them or turn them in. But in all seriousness, if you have to ask people on an online forum what you need to do, maybe you don't need them anyways.

[Skip]

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/01/2...ns-bump-stocks

“Gun violence is often coming from a home base,” said Councilwoman Robin Kniech, who cited domestic violence as a major reason impetus against allowing larger capacity magazines to be kept in homes.

Makes perfect sense to me. With 15 rounds women are safe from their male abusers. But that 16th round would have been disaster.

But it is nice to see women once again used for progress.

NYSafe Act was, as predicted, the precedent. There are many in the gun community who ran from that fight including the owners of another certain popular site.