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The orders have to be lawful and in support of the constitution first...Originally Posted by ray1970
But the people issue is that no one in the military has kicked in doors on their own soil hurting their own people.
And here is your LE post about how we're all out to get you. From people who have never seen the behind the scenes stuff that actually goes on. It only took to two pages of posts this time, Awesome!
I can think of at least two people on here who used to be cops, but don't ever talk about it on here. I'm sure there are more.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I'm also 7 years army, and I'm not trying to make this a penis measuring contest. I think you've either had a bad experience or it's been way too long since you have seen it. In my opinion the vast majority that are there just for a job would be too afraid to do something like go door to door to collect firearms. Additionally the vast majority are there for the right reasons aren't going to go door to door. That would be a lot of cops getting fired. And I know they would. And I don't think it would be just the basic troops it would be of all ranks. Generals who wouldn't take their armies to do this.
It would be nice to have one thread with conversation where it doesn't turn into the "Police are unconstitutional" thread.
Sorry for not checking your resume first. But I'm surprised that you don't think the military was needed to stop LA from burning to the ground. I lived there at the time of the riots and I would definitely agree that it was a war zone and the police were in serious need of support.
The National Guard was sent in. They had no ammo. The governor was an idiot. The President was pissed about it.
Last edited by KevDen2005; 02-26-2018 at 09:46.
You think Chicago or Detroit would go door to door for their very terrible paycheck? They can't even control their city with gang violence and actual criminals who are targeting them and committing major crimes daily. You're talking about one potential "crime." (Calling that only for the purpose of this thread). They woudn't fire enough to make it work and then no other daily issue gets handled that LE has to do.
Maybe I could agree that modern NG or Reserve force is more experienced to deal with such an issue. But here you're pointing out why military was the needed force. They could have been doing a lot more harm than good.
And maybe that's why it's a good idea that NG forces have experience so they can more prepared to handle internal issues. NG and Reserve forces were the absolute laughing stock when I was in the military.
Last edited by KevDen2005; 02-26-2018 at 09:49.
Clearly I didn't ask you to do this and I would not have asked you to do this. We have different stances and I'm not sorry for my stance. I believe that there was nothing uncivil about our conversation even if both of us are defensive and arguing. That's the point of disagreements. I am however sorry you felt the need to delete a post because you felt that I was too upset over it.
Just my opinion: very few doors will need to be kicked in.
First will come buy-backs, then a later amnesty turn-in, then a couple of door kicks followed by another amnesty turn-in. By then, the majority of the offensive guns will be out of the hands of the peasants.
Just like the illegals self-deporting, all it takes is a small number of high profile raids at the right time, and I believe the majority will reluctantly comply.
LE will consider the string of amnesties as a more than fair chance to comply. Therefore, they will "only be going after the real criminals" who have willingly disregarded their multiple oportunities.
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