And CDOT screws the state again...

[Irving]

Especially when people find ways to use the lanes and not pay for them.

[Great-Kazoo]

So people bitch about traffic and insufficient roads.

Then the government says "sure we can fix the roads, we'll just need to raise your taxes to pay for it" and people bitch about having their taxes raised.

So the government then finds a private entity willing to build the roads without raising taxes by charging users, and people bitch about that.

I think I'm detecting a common denominator here....

So what's your choice: (1) crappy, crowded roads (i.e. the status quo), (2) higher taxes than we already pay or (3) toll roads?

Pick one.

When the HOV lanes were 2+ everyone used them. When they went to 3+ those same carpool, taxis, limos ubers etc were forced back on to the standard highway. Being hit with a fine for using the road they used the year prior makes no sense. That's why CDOT, among other CO entities needs to be audited

[GeorgeandSugar]

I know. A hard pill to swallow, however, toll roads are preferable to anymore crap like HOV lanes or bike lanes or any of these other gimmicks that do little to solve the traffic dilemma. Fortunately, I don't have to deal with the daily traffic meat grinder.


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[hurley842002]

I know. A hard pill to swallow, however, toll roads are preferable to anymore crap like HOV lanes or bike lanes or any of these other gimmicks that do little to solve the traffic dilemma. Fortunately, I don't have to deal with the daily traffic meat grinder.


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Preferable to who? You? Bold statement coming from someone that doesn't have to deal with the daily "meat grinder".

[GeorgeandSugar]

Preferable to who? You? Bold statement coming from someone that doesn't have to deal with the daily "meat grinder".

I did not long ago. I was cheap and did not want to pay tolls and took the long way home. Shelved the cheap for my sanity. CDOT was not going to get this done, so I bite the bullet and paid the tolls. Ouch! However, my sanity, less traffic and more time at home was a good trade-off.


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[brutal]

An almost daily commute is new again to me after 15 years.

I'm just sick of the massive influx of left lane losers (that means most Californians).

Thankfully I'm going against the bulk of traffic, but it's still painful to travel e-470/C-470 4 days a week.

Some douche knot in a jeep had e-470 jammed up for miles on the way home today.

Parker Rd through town up to 470 is getting much worse lately too it seems.

[Skip]

First post nailed it!

And haven't we done this post before?

Yes, we're paying to drive in the roads we pay to build and maintain. The Ritter taxes weren't enough. It's never enough and CO voters don't seem to mind. They are shitting money given the cost of living as it is.

E-470 cancelled their registration fee early btw. They re-fi'd the bonds and paid them off early. Never seen that before on our roads (removing a tax/fee). So much for "we need Socialism because muh roads."

Oh, and the other good part... If you observe the flow of traffic, the passing lane (left lane, non-toll) is no longer treated as a passing lane when there is an express lane. People now camp there because they see a lane to their left.

[Irving]

I cannot for the life of me understand why people get into the toll lane and match the speed of the left lane. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU PAY TO GO THE SAME SPEED?!?!

[SideShow Bob]

I cannot for the life of me understand why people get into the toll lane and match the speed of the left lane. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU PAY TO GO THE SAME SPEED?!?!

I don’t know, maybe Because it is the posted legal speed limit ?

[fitz19d]

I really wish the toll lanes if they are insistent on doing that would at least have a barrier. Because people love darting in and out to avoid the cameras. Or getting impatient and crossing the double white nearly causing accidents....

I'd be less opposed if the prices were a little more reasonable, $4-5 a day would suck but be somewhat digestible but the cost for the i25 into denver is ridiculous. (And E-470 always confused me, because often looping around the entire denver metro is a fortune and only saves time if stuff is located perfectly otherwise the crawl is still your only bet.


Once this kicks off I wonder if Ft collins from longmont will be faster at all going up 257 like I already do for Greeley.