This state is hosed

[roberth]

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...m_of_1938.html

Everyone knows what happened 80 years ago, November 9-10, 1938 in Germany. The unprecedented pogrom of the Jews got the name Kristallnacht – "Night of Broken Glass." Today, we are well aware of the approximate number of murdered Jews, destroyed businesses, and burned synagogues. The formal reason for the pogrom was the murder of the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath in Paris by the Jewish teenager Herschel Grynszpan on November 7.

Unfortunately, few people know about the true causes of the pogrom.

Will the Red Flag law be our Kristallnacht?

As a result, a massive (and effective) campaign for the confiscation of weapons had begun, and in many regions of Germany, the Jews were wholly disarmed in just six months – by November 1938. For example, the day before the pogrom, on November 8, 1938, the New York Times published an article reported that the head of the Berlin police noted with satisfaction that practically all firearms from Berlin Jews had already been taken. The Nazis' sequester was effective because law-abiding German Jews registered all their weapons, as the law required. As a result, the addresses of the Jewish owners of the firearms and the details of the weapons in question were known to the authorities in advance.

Where you read the word "Jew" substitute "conservative", "deplorable", "pro-life", "American Nationalist", etcetera and you'll have an idea of what the (D) has planned for us. I know it is early in the game but we can learn from history if we know it.

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...m_of_1938.html



Will the Red Flag law be our Kristallnacht?



Where you read the word "Jew" substitute "conservative", "deplorable", "pro-life", "American Nationalist", etcetera and you'll have an idea of what the (D) has planned for us. I know it is early in the game but we can learn from history if we know it.

'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

[Irving]

As someone who tends to be vocal about voting party line (mostly after years of hearing people on here complaining about the Dems doing it), I have to say that if you believe in your party, then voting party line is the clear choice. Anything else wouldn't make sense.

When people start doubting that the party really has their best interest in mind, or finds more than minor things they don't agree with in the party platform, that's where the trouble starts.

Not trusting your own party starts you down a troubling path and a gateway to opting out completely, imo. If you don't trust your own party, you sure as hell aren't trusting any of the others, so that pretty much leaves one out in the cold.

The latest Freakonomics podcast presented the idea that the Rep&Dem political parties are closer to a market dominating duopoly (a la Coke and Pepsi) than they are competing political parties as they portray. I'd like a discussion about it here, but don't know how many people would listen first.

[Bailey Guns]

Those who don't learn from history are usually progressive.

[Bailey Guns]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.

[Irving]

Completely understand.

[Skip]

Those who don't learn from history are usually progressive.

I disagree. They've learned and use it as a guidebook.

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If red flag/registration is ever used as a Kristallnacht in any state it clearly violates the legislative intent and moves up the difficult decisions that everyone has to make. It would fully clarify that gun control is about disarming political enemies, not safety. Citizens, LE, government, politicians, etc... couldn't sit on the fence.

I'm not saying some pol wouldn't try, I think the more removed such pols are from real world consequences, and the understanding of them, the greater the odds get. I doubt Polis has ever so much as skipped a meal like most of his fellow travelers.

[O2HeN2]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.

Good way to put it.

O2

[roberth]

It's not so much trusting the Republican party. It's more of a distrust of the Democrat party. It's also a matter of which party is more likely to support ideals in which I believe. Democrats dont... at all. At least the Republican party says it believes in the things I do even if the individuals in the party don't always act that way. I'm not blindly loyal...just pragmatic.

Good way to put it.

O2

Yes it is.

[Bailey Guns]

I disagree. They've learned and use it as a guidebook.

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OK...and that's kind of my point. What the Germans did to the Jews just prior to, and during, WWII, worked for them. In the very short term. But once their atrocities were uncovered the world (by world I mean mostly the US) got involved, handed them a crushing and devastating defeat, exposed their atrocities and tried and executed many of those responsible. Sure...it met an objective for a time...but at a tremendous cost in the long run. I think the argument can be made it didn't really work out to well for them.

We know from looking at examples from history gun control only works to help bolster tyrannical governments. Of course, tyranny comes in degrees...but it robs the people of freedom in the most mild form to the most brutal form. That's not opinion...that's just basic fact that can be verified any number of times from looking at not only history, but modern societies as well. It robbed Jews of their lives in the 30s and 40s and it robs others, like citizens in some of our states and in the UK for example, of their God-given right to safety.

Knowing this, you and I can look at gun control from an intellectual standpoint and say, with some pretty hard evidence to back it up, it never works as intended. Progressives look only at the emotional side of it. Gun control makes them feel good because maybe the wrong person won't be able to get a gun and hurt someone. Historical fact and plain logic have no room in their arguments.