*CONFIRMED SEE PAGE 7* Littleton PD Requesting online-uploads of video for firearms transactions

[kidicarus13]

The Rapidfire and the Shooting Shop are the ones closing. Rapidfire is a great transfer store. It's too bad. They will be missed.

RFB. I used to go there often when I lived closer. That sucks. They are closing due to the camera ordinance?

[Martinjmpr]

Pawnshops will take your print, have for decades. In the ?old days? in Denver there was a form you filled out that went to the pd, in addition to 4473.

Still waiting to hear if there is anything more to this.

Yeah, funny thing about pawn shops....back in 1984 (I think, or it may have been 1983) I was working as an armed security guard at the Johns-Manville facilities in Jeffco (the R&D facility is still there, near Kipling and C-470, the other building is now Lockheed-Martin's 'Deer Creek Facility' in Deer Creek Canyon but it was originally built as the JM World Headquarters in the early 70's.) Anyway, one evening after work I went for coffee with friends at a place in old downtown and foolishly left my pistol (Colt Trooper Mk III) and all my gear in a bag in the back seat of my car and forgot to lock the car. Came back and it was gone. I reported the theft to the police, bought another pistol (A S&W M19 that I still have) and wrote it off as an expensive lesson learned.

A year or so later, I got a letter from the Boulder County sheriff's dept saying they had made an arrest in a crime in which I was a victim. I had pretty much forgotten about the whole thing and had no idea what this was about, I called them up and the person answering the phone said "Oh, you had a gun stolen last year right? Well, we recovered it." Turns out they had arrested someone for drunk driving, and when they inventoried his car, they found my gun.

So when I went to pick it up, I asked the cops if they arrested the guy for having stolen property. They told me he bought it "legitimately" from a pawn shop. So then I said "well, someone sold it to the pawn shop, right? So I assume you tracked down THAT guy?" Uh, no. Turns out that the pawn shop he bought it from didn't record the identity of the person THEY got it from.

Anyway, my point with all this is that while it's true that there are rules that pawnshops have to follow, it's clear from my experience that a lot of these rules only exist on paper, in the real world, some shops follow them and some shops don't.

[hurley842002]

Yeah, funny thing about pawn shops....back in 1984 (I think, or it may have been 1983) I was working as an armed security guard at the Johns-Manville facilities in Jeffco (the R&D facility is still there, near Kipling and C-470, the other building is now Lockheed-Martin's 'Deer Creek Facility' in Deer Creek Canyon but it was originally built as the JM World Headquarters in the early 70's.) Anyway, one evening after work I went for coffee with friends at a place in old downtown and foolishly left my pistol (Colt Trooper Mk III) and all my gear in a bag in the back seat of my car and forgot to lock the car. Came back and it was gone. I reported the theft to the police, bought another pistol (A S&W M19 that I still have) and wrote it off as an expensive lesson learned.

A year or so later, I got a letter from the Boulder County sheriff's dept saying they had made an arrest in a crime in which I was a victim. I had pretty much forgotten about the whole thing and had no idea what this was about, I called them up and the person answering the phone said "Oh, you had a gun stolen last year right? Well, we recovered it." Turns out they had arrested someone for drunk driving, and when they inventoried his car, they found my gun.

So when I went to pick it up, I asked the cops if they arrested the guy for having stolen property. They told me he bought it "legitimately" from a pawn shop. So then I said "well, someone sold it to the pawn shop, right? So I assume you tracked down THAT guy?" Uh, no. Turns out that the pawn shop he bought it from didn't record the identity of the person THEY got it from.

Anyway, my point with all this is that while it's true that there are rules that pawnshops have to follow, it's clear from my experience that a lot of these rules only exist on paper, in the real world, some shops follow them and some shops don't.

Good thing they found your gun during a DUI and not a homicide, not something I'd care to have on my conscience.

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RFB. I used to go there often when I lived closer. That sucks. They are closing due to the camera ordinance?

This really sucks! Steve and Dawn are awesome.

I hope they set up shop again somewhere close.

[.455_Hunter]

I would think the stores in question could find another location to operate instead of throwing in the towel, but maybe such a disruption and expense would not be workable in the current gun buying market. I know staffs at other stores have been forced to downsize recently. Maybe the Shootin Shop can become an avocado toast hipster hangout?

[drew890]

The Rapidfire and the Shooting Shop are the ones closing. Rapidfire is a great transfer store. It's too bad. They will be missed. Appears to be a municipal thing.

Still waiting for any evidence that these closures are related to the unsubstantiated rumor of these cameras.
Has there been any credible evidence of these rumored cameras?

[BladesNBarrels]

Has there been any credible evidence of these rumored cameras?

Want to buy a gun? Wait a second while I plug this in and connect to the police.

[FoxtArt]

Want to buy a gun? Wait a second while I plug this in and connect to the police.

Now that you've seen a $5 web camera, you'll blame our closure on the gov't and not contribute to the spreading of rumors as to why we really are shutting down.


(I've seen similar stuff from other FFL's closing down, not sure I've ever gotten the real story from the source) That's why people are incredulous. Seeing a camera doesn't mean there's a legitimate policy, it could be completely bogus. Hell, I've even for bemusement contributed to the invention of new rumors just by f'ing with people who were conspiracy minded.

Now, I'm not saying it's bullshit, nor am I dragging them through the mud. However, if I placed blind faith into the assertions of others, I'd have died a slow, agonizing death treating a deadly preventable virus with essential oils, all while covered in palm leaves and a face mask made out of dog shit.

TLDR: I like anyone SHOULD, do NOT trust the assertions of any other person especially when said information should readily have a verifiable source. FFL's often contribute to spreading about as much BS as some of the eccentric customers that patronize them.

[OneGuy67]

I was at RFB a couple of weeks ago and they only had like 6 guns in their display cases. I was wondering if they were closing.

[battle_sight_zero]

Ok so I went and verified this is happening in Littleton. To prove what I have been saying is true put up a bolt action that I planned to get rid of on Armlist. Buyer agreed to meet me at a Littleton store. Sparta tactical on Bowels. When I got there here is what took place, and must point out everything I heard stories from the other FFL they were asked to do.

#1. Met buyer in store. Let him check firearm over.
#2. Check rifle in at store. Noted camera on cash register. Asked FFL for permission to take pictures.
3. Buyer feels out ATF form.
4. FFL has my license continues check in.
5. Buyer passes background
6. I am directed to position to take photo.
7. Photo taken
8. FFl holds drivers license up for camera takes picture
9. I am given form with strange questions
10. FFl produces another with my picture, drivers license copy and a convient place for finger print.
11. I give fingerprint and sign.

Anyways I have photos of this adventure. I have tried to upload. So someone that can post them I'd be happy to email you.

In closing this seems like extreme overreach to me. I did email the NRA. May never hear anything.