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    Firearms Act of 1968

    " (3) The term 'firearm' means (A) any weapon (including a starter
    gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel
    a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver
    of any such weapon; ..."

    Readily converted.
    Looks open to interpretation.

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    ATF has already determined that the piece of plastic is NOT a firearm. It doesn't magically become a firearm because of its proximity to other parts.

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    My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I interpret "readily converted" to mean assembled, as opposed to manufactured. Assembled without any tools, like assembling a field striped pistol, as opposed to chocking up into a drill press to complete manufacture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00tec View Post
    ... it does not meet the definition of a bomb...
    Constructive possession of a firearm in this case is not a problem, unless the person in possession is a prohibited party.
    Bomb? It may depend on intent. Guys have been arrested for just that, having components.

    According to the DC Attorney General, the distributor sold their wares to residents of that fine city, which is prohibited.

    We are mixing points here. It seems the company named violated a few existing laws.

    Whether those laws are just or not is a different issue.

    Is this an abuse of power? I think that's what we are all afraid of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00tec View Post
    ATF has already determined that the piece of plastic is NOT a firearm. It doesn't magically become a firearm because of its proximity to other parts.
    Tell that to Beto.

    He may be in charge of correcting the scourge of individuals that own firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I interpret "readily converted" to mean assembled, as opposed to manufactured. Assembled without any tools, like assembling a field striped pistol, as opposed to chocking up into a drill press to complete manufacture.
    See above.

    Do you think any legislator knows the difference between an end mill and a drill bit? Can identify a micrometer, let alone read one?

    It doesn't matter what we think, we don't make the laws.

    Edit- or executive orders...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    Bomb? It may depend on intent. Guys have been arrested for just that, having components.

    According to the DC Attorney General, the distributor sold their wares to residents of that fine city, which is prohibited.

    We are mixing points here. It seems the company named violated a few existing laws.

    Whether those laws are just or not is a different issue.

    Is this an abuse of power? I think that's what we are all afraid of.
    Yes, because those people were prohibited from possessing a bomb, and the parts were considered constructive possession. If you had those items, but are not prohibited from having a bomb, you don't have a bomb.

    I have a incomplete lower receiver out in the garage, it is in a bin with other parts, doesn't make it a firearm

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    See above.

    Do you think any legislator knows the difference between an end mill and a drill bit? Can identify a micrometer, let alone read one?

    It doesn't matter what we think, we don't make the laws.

    Edit- or executive orders...
    I think any legislator knows the difference between an end mill, drill press, and zero tools at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00tec View Post
    I have a incomplete lower receiver out in the garage, it is in a bin with other parts, doesn't make it a firearm
    No you don't. Your wife threw that away when she was helping clean the garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    No you don't. Your wife threw that away when she was helping clean the garage.
    Hah!

    She sure as hell doesn't know. She pretty much told me that I couldn't buy gun stuff for a while when we made a large purchase.
    She doesn't pay attention to what happens in the shop, or in the gun room (which is why I ship stuff to a friends house, like my 80% GST-9

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