Minneapolis

[Bailey Guns]

Obviously there was no intent on her part so murder shouldn't be a consideration. Some sort of manslaughter (or whatever they call that in MN).

I feel sorry for her...for a lot of reasons. Daunte...not so much.

[Bailey Guns]

On the other hand, the mayor is saying she's not entitled to due process so fuck it... Just lock her up. Throw her to the wolves. She's guilty of something. She doesn't need a trial or a lawyer or any of that bullshit. She's a white cop so she's obviously guilty of all sorts of racist shit.

[Irving]

One person already didn't get due process, what's one more?

[Irving]

One person already didn't get due process, what's one more?

Don't write a long angry response. I'm not serious.

[Scanker19]

Don't write a long angry response. I'm not serious.

[hollohas]

I've been thinking about that Donut guy's video today. While he's 100% correct, pulling funding from LE agencies is NOT the way to make police better, many agencies could prioritize budgets a bit better. And many LEO's could put a lot more effort to getting training on their own time.

Every good LEO I have ever known would LOVE to get more department paid training time but it's just not an option. While some of them search out training opportunities, many do not. For example, one State Patrol officer I'm good friends with wishes he got more firearms training. The department doesn't provide it, but his schedule absolutely affords him plenty of time to go out and get it on his own.

It's no different than private sector professionals. Most employers provide little to no training. But professionals who want to get better at their jobs go out and find it anyway.

Many LE agencies could also invest more in their officers even with their current budgets. For example, if the department can't afford to pay for training, at least don't force officers to use vacation to go on their own. Or departments could strike a group discount deal of some sort with a local martial arts gym and incentivize officers to sign up. My LEO Dad took his defense tactics and arrest control VERY seriously and never stopped training because he knew good technique decreased the likelihood situations would get out of control. We're discussing the topic of this thread in part because of poor arrest technique.

Or perhaps the department could pass on the opportunity to buy that cool new drone or armored swat truck that will be used twice a year and instead send 100 officers to some sort of training. They truly could invest more in their people in many cases. (Like most employers).

I feel bad for officers that don't get good training, but only to a point. Self improvement is ALWAYS an option.

[jerrymrc]

I've been thinking about that Donut guy's video today. While he's 100% correct, pulling funding from LE agencies is NOT the way to make police better, many agencies could prioritize budgets a bit better. And many LEO's could put a lot more effort to getting training on their own time.

Every good LEO I have ever known would LOVE to get more department paid training time but it's just not an option. While some of them search out training opportunities, many do not. For example, one State Patrol officer I'm good friends with wishes he got more firearms training. The department doesn't provide it, but his schedule absolutely affords him plenty of time to go out and get it on his own.

It's no different than private sector professionals. Most employers provide little to no training. But professionals who want to get better at their jobs go out and find it anyway.

Many LE agencies could also invest more in their officers even with their current budgets. For example, if the department can't afford to pay for training, at least don't force officers to use vacation to go on their own. Or departments could strike a group discount deal of some sort with a local martial arts gym and incentivize officers to sign up. My LEO Dad took his defense tactics and arrest control VERY seriously and never stopped training because he knew good technique decreased the likelihood situations would get out of control. We're discussing the topic of this thread in part because of poor arrest technique.

Or perhaps the department could pass on the opportunity to buy that cool new drone or armored swat truck that will be used twice a year and instead send 100 officers to some sort of training. They truly could invest more in their people in many cases. (Like most employers).

I feel bad for officers that don't get good training, but only to a point. Self improvement is ALWAYS an option.

And that is the sad truth. At least down here the EPSD and CSPD have two pistol and rifle ranges 5 miles apart for their use. The range that is 700 yards away from where I live is always going to include select fire weapons. It is funny that the new people that moved in think it is Ft Carson so I have to explain that it is not so don't blame them for that noise.

[Zundfolge]

Honestly with the installation of Biden as president, I no longer object fully to the idea of de-funding and or even eliminating the police.

Can't enforce his stupid gun control schemes with no cops. Those of us out here in the red areas of the country are well armed, connected to one another and can take care of ourselves (we can always muster a militia if necessary).

A year of no police and the black and blue communities will not only demand their return, they'll probably demand a Gendarmerie (which might actually be the goal of this nonsense to begin with).

[O2HeN2]

...they'll probably demand a Gendarmerie (which might actually be the goal of this nonsense to begin with).

That is EXACTLY the goal of all this. Have the people beg to send in the military to restore order and you can send in people with no local ties or empathy for the local area.

...at which point you can REALLY get down to business.

O2

[Aloha_Shooter]

And that is the sad truth. At least down here the EPSD and CSPD have two pistol and rifle ranges 5 miles apart for their use. The range that is 700 yards away from where I live is always going to include select fire weapons. It is funny that the new people that moved in think it is Ft Carson so I have to explain that it is not so don't blame them for that noise.

To be fair, the CMSC is right on the edge of Ft Carson and is a multi-use facility. Even if it was Fort Carson, I'd want our soldiers to get actual practice time with their weapons and blame the morons who move right in next to an Army post (or airport or ...) and expect it to be as quiet as an unused national forest.