kicking some bad ideas down the road

[BushMasterBoy]

Just put up a steel building. I was thinking of one of these for my backyard.

https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3_M12933-01927

[Great-Kazoo]

Yep the pipe thing I already knew; and figured I would consider that then dump an empty min-conex box on top or pea gravel which is over the new sewer line.

The other thing would be to reduce the bulk; if I had said modular firearm I would break down the upper; pull the butstock off the lower and that would be easier to secure.

click, click, click - checking on land in AZ - what are the water rules for wells?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3...5056880_zpid/?

Rules. 100' from septic and leech fields, form any surrounding properties as well as your own septic.

The well permit is either approved by the town, county, or state. Right now average wait times ate 4 months for drilling, with a cost, not including electric or plumbing hook up, is $12-14K for a 300-320 ft' depth.

You could haul water in, which a lot of people in that area are doing. As well as generators, or solar with battery back up.

One thing about ash fork, as well as other off grid areas. You get a heavy rain, or snow and you're not going anywhere. Our Dr. assistant works from home during monsoon season, as she's unable to access pavement.

What looks good on paper, for off grid really needs eyes on, before committing to purchase. We looked at a nice 40 ac section, for $30K. north of AF. Turns out you needed easement access from another land owners property . It was basically land locked, with zero access unless right of way was granted.

We're 45 min straight south from AF, if you need a place to camp while looking. There are some interesting places available but again. No matter what state you choose. Better look it over.

[thedave1164]

G-K brings up a very important point, access.

We turned away from a bunch of very nice properties that did not have easements or deeded access.

Also water rights is a big thing, and every state is different.

Property in UT where we looked, you had to buy a minimum 1/4 acre foot of water rights to even haul water in from a local spring or use any water from a stream flowing across your land. While I am not 100% sure it is that way state wide, I believe it is so.

We were looking at a 10ac lot that was 45 minutes from the closest town, 7200’ elevation, trees, flat areas.

Road to the property, but it was not deeded access or easement. No water rights.

[bradbn4]

G-K brings up a very important point, access.

We were looking at a 10ac lot that was 45 minutes from the closest town, 7200’ elevation, trees, flat areas.

Road to the property, but it was not deeded access or easement. No water rights.

Sounds close to two locations I spotted. One was perfect but no access; the other was a full house + access, but no water. The storage tank was 700 gal - so I would expect freq fill ups would be required. Distance to fill ups would be a good 70 miles round trip. That no water place would be perfect for short term living and getting a water hog trailer would work fine.

Now it would be possible to set up water collections for easy good quality gray water. With the possibility for advanced filtering for consumption.


I did spot one location and it had wagon wheel style ruts for a road for about 5 miles before hitting a low grade two lane dirt road (not gravel).

[Great-Kazoo]

Sounds close to two locations I spotted. One was perfect but no access; the other was a full house + access, but no water. The storage tank was 700 gal - so I would expect freq fill ups would be required. Distance to fill ups would be a good 70 miles round trip. That no water place would be perfect for short term living and getting a water hog trailer would work fine.

Now it would be possible to set up water collections for easy good quality gray water. With the possibility for advanced filtering for consumption.


I did spot one location and it had wagon wheel style ruts for a road for about 5 miles before hitting a low grade two lane dirt road (not gravel).

2k water storage would hold 1 person over for some time. With that said.

With all the planning you're doing. Add a 3-4 month window for getting materials, such as water tank, pump, solar etc. Here's the link to the guy who provides solar set ups to a lot of the off grid folks. He's down the road from us, i also have a guy down in the valley who designs solar systems, as needed.

http://mannixfamilysolar.com/

[bradbn4]

For quality land Montana is a lot better - few searches found pretty much stuff that could work at first glance. And I would be looking at a road trip if it was located in Wy....

I found about 10 spots that could work; some even had per-approved septic well below Wy prices. For simple 'home steading' it would be a much better choice.
But that is not 100% of the story...not much trees tho...

Depending on rain amount, 2K holding tank works quite well for a two people. Esp if you can use rain catchment to supplement your green thumb needs. AZ "should" be easier to setup a ok to good solar power with generator backup if a well can be dropped in.

[BushMasterBoy]

I wish I had moved to the Big Island of Hawaii. Most folks get their water from rain catchment tanks. It rains that much there. Instead I bought a 3 bed 2 bath brand new on a acre in Pueblo West for $130K in 2006. It used to be quiet with coyotes howling at night. Since then have built a fire station, ER, convenience store etc. nearby.
I could have bought a 12 acre tropical tree fruit farm 4 months ago for $289K. My house is now valued at $300K+. The sound at night is barking dogs. The construction going on is unbelievable. There is talk of a water fee increase of 20% and raising the water tap fee 600%. Link of tree farm in Hawaii below...


https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...0_M90611-95882

[bradbn4]

I have been on a cistern and had to haul water. It sucks. On paper it sounds like it would work. In reality it just sucks. I have lived that way for years in the past. Guess what happens when you have large animals? toilet float gets stuck? roads are bad and you need water? the place you get water from is down for maintenance, cleaning whatever? I still have to haul water to cows when we lease cattle pastures that dont have water. It sucks.

Oh, I am not saying that would be something I would want / desire. I did the non-portable water thing when working on the farm back as a kid. The folks rented out the house and we stayed on the 1/2 burnt out farm house on the far side of the land over the weekends. If we wanted water we hauled it in in 5 gal containers. However; if you wanted to flush the toilet, you got a pail and went outside and used the old hand pump. If you wanted a bath and it was summer, you went to the lake and went for a swim.

I have "seen" on tv a few setups that had used water collection systems to provide water thru the year. The owner needed to "seed" the system with fresh water at start up. Most years they would not have to add water to the system and the "clean" gray water was used for plants and such.

I included the pre-fab / trailer option on the searches. Not that I wanted to live in one "forever"; but it would provide a spot to stay as I fixed up the area. I spotted one candidate that was too close to town to work, that had some fantastic outbuildings, but the trailer pretty much needed to be burned to the ground. So it would be possible to fix up the outbuilding to live in for a year while work got started on the new digs.

[KevDen2005]

Check out MO, I found 3 acres in the middle of the state for a good price, under $10K

Far enough away from KC and STL so that you wouldn?t even know they existed

I'm south of Springfield. The attitude in this state is that they like to be left alone. Springfield tries real hard to be a cool big city. Very hilarious. I'm in a neighborhood now, hoping to secure some land down the road. I'm very happy with leaving CO.

[Great-Kazoo]

I wish I had moved to the Big Island of Hawaii. Most folks get their water from rain catchment tanks. It rains that much there. Instead I bought a 3 bed 2 bath brand new on a acre in Pueblo West for $130K in 2006. It used to be quiet with coyotes howling at night. Since then have built a fire station, ER, convenience store etc. nearby.
I could have bought a 12 acre tropical tree fruit farm 4 months ago for $289K. My house is now valued at $300K+. The sound at night is barking dogs. The construction going on is unbelievable. There is talk of a water fee increase of 20% and raising the water tap fee 600%. Link of tree farm in Hawaii below...


https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...0_M90611-95882

Give up your guns, mandatory masking, vaccines, drive 8 miles and have to turn around, cause THE ISLAND ENDS!

You think it's a paradise. This last weekends garage sale. We met 4 couples from da islands. They seem to be leaving the state, faster than californians. How they went from lush greenery to the high desert, is still puzzling. BUT, none of them have anything nice to say about Hi. Especially when it comes to the tourist flooding the roadways, hotels and every spot in between.

Then again, there is no perfect place to live.