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    Quote Originally Posted by 00tec View Post
    Bridge clearance is 131ft.
    The masts that are to be installed on that thing are 229ft
    I am guessing they can't float it and just tug because they can't put the weird keel thing that sailboats have on it inside the canal? Still seems like it would be easier to give it temporary pontoons for stability and tug it out than it is to disassemble a whole bridge.

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    To get to the yacht....Avg 4 seater helicopter burns 15-20gal/hr.
    Gulfstream g650 burns 450gal/hr.

    Plus aux engine gas burning. ⛽️


    Whats next?
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    I don't know what model it was, but I'm pretty sure one of the 3 jets I saw in Phillip Anschutz's hanger at Centennial was a Falcon as I remember a pilot in the lounge talking about it.

    My contact at TAC asked if we could take a peek inside but they were prepping it for flight and politely declined the request.

    That's the closest I've ever been to a private jet except the small one I flew in once from Co Springs to Tucson and back a few days later for another client that included a quick pee stop in Las Cruces when they dropped off a sales guy. Perfect storm where they had enough IT people going to the Tucson plant to offset the cost, and the other drop they needed to make.
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    I mean he's offering to foot the whole bill for dismantling and fixing it...I don't really see any issue here.
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that - George Carlin

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    Bozo forgot to include, opportunity cost, "social cost" and "social marginal cost".

    Let's assume 200k vehicles commute to that bridge and next detour is 2 miles away.
    Let's also assume 20mpg. So 0.1 gal of consumption.
    200, 000car x .1 gal = 20,000 gal of fuel wastes.
    $6/gal will cost $120k.

    Also people wasted 5 min for detour.
    5min x 200k vehicles = 1,000,000 min per vehicles wasted.

    5min x $20/hr x 200k vehicles = wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    I am guessing they can't float it and just tug because they can't put the weird keel thing that sailboats have on it inside the canal? Still seems like it would be easier to give it temporary pontoons for stability and tug it out than it is to disassemble a whole bridge.
    A ship that large likely doesn't have a deep keel like a traditional sailboat. It's main propulsion will be a big Caterpillar diesel. The sails are mostly for show. Although they will be functional, they won't use them in winds high enough for the boat to heel excessively, so a deep keel isn't necessary.

    They can't float it because it's not watertight yet.

    They are towing it to another shipyard. They have different ones for the hull, propulsion, electrical and plumbing, finish work etc. Usually, they haul them on trucks but that sucker is too big for that.

    As far as fuel, it will likely burn over 100 gallons per hour, much more when underway. No big deal since it will likely have 50-100k gallons onboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrena View Post
    Bozo forgot to include, opportunity cost, "social cost" and "social marginal cost".

    Let's assume 200k vehicles commute to that bridge and next detour is 2 miles away.
    Let's also assume 20mpg. So 0.1 gal of consumption.
    200, 000car x .1 gal = 20,000 gal of fuel wastes.
    $6/gal will cost $120k.

    Also people wasted 5 min for detour.
    5min x 200k vehicles = 1,000,000 min per vehicles wasted.

    5min x $20/hr x 200k vehicles = wasted.
    It's an old retired rail bridge. No traffic

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    A ship that large likely doesn't have a deep keel like a traditional sailboat. It's main propulsion will be a big Caterpillar diesel. The sails are mostly for show. Although they will be functional, they won't use them in winds high enough for the boat to heel excessively, so a deep keel isn't necessary.

    They can't float it because it's not watertight yet.

    They are towing it to another shipyard. They have different ones for the hull, propulsion, electrical and plumbing, finish work etc. Usually, they haul them on trucks but that sucker is too big for that.

    As far as fuel, it will likely burn over 100 gallons per hour, much more when underway. No big deal since it will likely have 50-100k gallons onboard.
    Thanks for the insight. That's what has really been missing from the story.

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    A sail boat with 229' masts...the keel must be massive, and weigh tons.

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    This is the Black Pearl, currently the largest sailing vessel at 106m, built by the same company.

    It doesn't have a traditional shark fin type keel- it wouldn't be able to enter a lot of moorings if it did, and couldn't go through the Panama Canal. Max draft is 12m.

    It has an anti-heeling system, usually ballast tanks running fore and aft, on each side of the hull. As the boat starts to list, either from off center loads or when the sails are up, water is pumped from the low side to the high side, bringing it back down.

    This thing is going weigh several thousand tons (each ton equals 2240 pounds or a long ton because nautical terms always have to be different to confuse me). I can't find much info on it since it is not registered yet but I'd bet final weight will be around 15 million pounds.

    The sails are mostly an affectation. It will be much too heavy to sail from a stop. They will get it up to speed on the engines, raise the sails and once they fill, cut the engines. It has enough sail surface to be propelled by the wind but it's not a racer.

    A bit more info on Black Pearl here-
    https://elitetraveler.com/cars-jets-...ck-pearl-yacht

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