Colorado HB 22-1279

[FoxtArt]

I should add, I don't support the bill. I also don't support giving zygotes exactly the same fundamental rights of a born human. By example, to have that be consistent, I am pretty sure you can't freeze "born" humans without their consent.

I am sick, and tired, of people not thinking through their BS legislation on both sides of the isle and selectively applying law only as it suits their bias. If you pass a law, you better apply it as written. Things should be thought through and consistent if you want society to fairly abide by it. Thus, giving zygotes the same "rights" as everyone else is not the solution some posters think it is. Is there a better solution? Likely...

[encorehunter]

So, picture a young mother with her first pregnancy. She is 38 weeks pregnant, excited to start her new family. She takes care of herself and her unborn baby, goes to all her prenatal appointments and takes her vitamins. She prepares for the moment her baby is born, has the crib set up and nursery ready. On her way to the her 2nd to last prenatal appointment, she gets hit by a drunk driver. It "kills" her "baby," and she is crushed, basically ruins her life. What happens to the drunk driver? He gets a DUI and maybe a vehicular assault charge.

Next mother has been trying to get pregnant for a couple of years. She finally gets pregnant, surprise, with twins. She goes to her prenatal appointments, does everything right. She is 38 weeks along, suddenly has a medical emergency. She is rushed to the hospital, goes into cardiac arrest. The husband asks to try and save the twin boys. Doctor refuses. All three die. Coroner shows boys were completely formed and viable. Husband sues doctor and hospital. Doctor and hospital are protected because the twin boys were not born. Doctor gets to retire years later and enjoy his family and life on the beach while to father has to wonder why he didn't atleast try.

Serious thoughts of the consequences of lawmakers making up laws. It would be nice if some of them would look at the other side of some of their laws.

[hollohas]

My post has always been about this particular legislation that allows literal murder because it's limitless. The bill is very sort. If any of you haven't read it, go do it. It's basic. It will allow all abortions, no matter what, no matter when. Literally up to the moment before birth.

NOBODY can from a serious argument that a 9 month old fetus is not a full human person that deserves some sort of protection under the law. Nobody. Everyone has seen a baby the moment it's born. That baby is a person and it was even before birth. A few second difference in time from before birth to after doesn't change that baby from a nothing pile of cells into a person. That's not a religious belief.

And this is a slippery slope because there are now states that are seriously debating if "abortion" after birth should be legal. For real. If you argue that a baby the second before birth isn't human, which this bill does, then it's very easy to argue a baby after birth isn't human either. Those seconds mean nothing if that's your argument.

I'm not arguing black/white on abortions. I'm arguing that THIS particular bill is fucked and so is anyone who supports it.

[FoxtArt]

My post has always been about this particular legislation that allows literal murder because it's limitless. The bill is very sort. If any of you haven't read it, go do it. It's basic. It will allow all abortions, no matter what, no matter when. Literally up to the moment before birth.

NOBODY can from a serious argument that a 9 month old fetus is not a full human person that deserves some sort of protection under the law. Nobody. Everyone has seen a baby the moment it's born. That baby is a person and it was even before birth. A few second difference in time from before birth to after doesn't change that baby from a nothing pile of cells into a person. That's not a religious belief.

And this is a slippery slope because there are now states that are seriously debating if "abortion" after birth should be legal. For real. If you argue that a baby the second before birth isn't human, which this bill does, then it's very easy to argue a baby after birth isn't human either. Those seconds mean nothing if that's your argument.

I'm not arguing black/white on abortions. I'm arguing that THIS particular bill is fucked and so is anyone who supports it.

Without going into the meat and potatoes of this legislation ( I haven't yet ) we are in agreement.

[doodguybro]

Do late term abortions ever happen? By most information, it seems unbelieveably rare. This is a reaction to other republican led states banning abortion at 4 weeks, etc. Both parties are dumb. Our political system is an abject failure in most regards.

[WETWRKS]

Do late term abortions ever happen? By most information, it seems unbelieveably rare. This is a reaction to other republican led states banning abortion at 4 weeks, etc. Both parties are dumb. Our political system is an abject failure in most regards.

Based on the numbers I see from 2019 it appears about 7% are late term...so about 7 out of 100. But it probably also depends on the definition of late term. They may monkey with that definition just like they are trying to pass bills allowing abortion even 4 weeks after the birth of the child.

Compare that to the reasons for abortions...per Planned Parenthood's own records only 2 out of 1000 are because of rape, incest, health of the mother or child...so 998 out of 1000 is simply because they don't want to have a child.

I am one that believes people need to take responsibility for the decisions they make. If you don't want a child...don't get pregnant. Either take measures to make sure you don't get pregnant or...don't have sex. Don't have sex is the most assured way to not get pregnant.

[earplug]

We did fine for countless years, allowing women and doctors to make decisions without government interference. What happened to the limited government concept?

[FoxtArt]

We did fine for countless years, allowing women and doctors to make decisions without government interference. What happened to the limited government concept?

Obesity.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Do late term abortions ever happen? By most information, it seems unbelieveably rare. This is a reaction to other republican led states banning abortion at 4 weeks, etc. Both parties are dumb. Our political system is an abject failure in most regards.

As a matter of fact, they happen more often than Republican-led states trying to ban abortions at 4 weeks. Where have you heard of this? I've seen attempts to reduce the period from 26 weeks to 22 to even 20 based on medical advances in sustaining the life of the child but have never heard of anyone proposing 4 weeks. Then again, I'm not surprised at a relatively new account with a total of 13 posts spreading disinformation.

[doodguybro]

We did fine for countless years, allowing women and doctors to make decisions without government interference. What happened to the limited government concept?

Everyone loves big government when its doing THEIR bidding.

They may monkey with that definition just like they are trying to pass bills allowing abortion even 4 weeks after the birth of the child.

Got a source for this?