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Miami Blues (Fred Ward, and alot of other faces you'll recognize too) is worth a watch, AB plays a newly-released badguy doing badguy things with Fred Ward's badge. Tons of great lines.
I dont like Alec nor his politics. I have a level of freudenschade for him in this situation with all his anti-gun history.
But using no emotion..
1) They were filming a cowboy movie where they shoot guns.
2) Alec probably had zero clue if the gun was loaded or not.
3) As he has no clue, and was on a movie set and an elitist... he went to assumption that he was using a movie prop.
Again, I do believe (unless there is something I dont know) that he believed he was using a movie prop.
There should have been zero live ammo on the set at the time of filming that. Zero.
I know we collectively have freudenschade from Alec because of his anti-gun activities and stances...
But think long term, do we really want the justice system criminalizing EVERYTHING? I believe for Alec (not saying anything about the armorer) it was really accidental and he had no clue the he was doing anything other than using a movie prop. Do we really want the government criminalizing true accidents or actions where the person truly doesn't know? What about whne they come for you for an accident or something you didn't know?
Just food for thought...
Other than acts of god there are no true accidents. Every accident can be prevented with proper training, education, and choices. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse.Originally Posted by DDT951
The armorer that tried to invent conspiracies and divert blame should be speared. The ammo and mistake absolutely sourced from her and has been established as sourcing from her.
Baldwin though... Agree with DDT951.
We live in a pragmatic world. Actors being handed props wouldn't know the difference between a real bullet or a dummy round even if they checked to see if it was loaded eighteen times. It's not their job. They expect to be handed what is essentially a prop. Their job is literally to point it at other people. Their job is to break the rules of firearm safety. They have expectations of industry controls. Even if we imagined actors anywhere (save for say, Keanu) actually had any habit of checked their prop weapons, who REALLY thinks they would ever spot a loaded weapon and what planet were you born on? That is why they have contractually required firearm experts (Armorers) and defined practices that are supposed to be closely followed.
Blaming the actor is dumb, as is ultra-strict theories of the flow of responsibility.
If you lend a friend your Dodge truck, and they drive through a restaurant with it while texting on an iPhone, is it your friend's fault?
Or is it Dodge's fault for making a 7000 pound battering ram, Apple's fault for making a distracting product, or is it your fault for not making sure your friend wouldn't text and drive?
Blaming Baldwin in this circumstance is akin to blaming Apple for manufacturing an iPhone, or blaming you for making sure your friend knows not to text-and-drive outside of your control and supervision. He was an actor, doing what they asked him to do, setup a camera shot at the direction of the crew where he is to point a gun at people.
Either we're consistent in how we apply judicial logic, or we're socialists under a different color.
Last edited by FoxtArt; 01-20-2023 at 14:28.
OK. Lets explore that line.
I have seen more than one movie that has a chase scene that involves a crash. They are filming a movie. If something goes wrong, which it occasionally does, should the stunt people be charged with violating motor vehicle laws or manslaughter?
If you watch a real motor vehicle race, and a crash occurs, should a driver be charged? in the Dale Earnhardt death, should #36 have been charged with a crime since he ran into a car while he was obviously going well beyond a safe speed of 155-160mph? He knew that was a dangerous speed and could kill someone.
I will bet that Alec isn't convicted and very unlikely to take a plea.
It depends on what the prosecution can prove beyond reasonable doubt to a jury of one's peers.
The Santa Fe District Attorney believes they have enough evidence to prove the charges. This has taken a long time so they must be pretty sure of a conviction.
As to stuntmen being charged for crashes, a quick web search shows there are several times where multiple people were charged in fatal accidents- both those directly involved and the producers for "allowing" the accidents to take place.
Not all were convicted but there is legal precedent.
The district attorney said Baldwin’s involvement as a producer and as the actor who fired the gun weighed in the decision to file charges.
“This set was really being run pretty fast and loose, and he knew or he should have known that there had been misfires, that there were safety concerns, that multiple people had brought them up,” Carmack-Altwies told The Associated Press in an interview. The fact that Baldwin was “the actor that held the gun, that pointed the gun and that pulled the trigger” also contributed.
I also found this...
The district attorney said charges will be filed by the end of January, and that Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be issued a summons to appear in court. She said prosecutors will forgo a grand jury and rely on a judge to determine if there is probable cause to move toward trial.
So a judge could toss this out. Looking a New Mexico politics, this seems likely.
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My son is an actor and actually auditioned for this movie. He said it is widely known that the armorer had no business being a armorer.
As Alec is the executive producer...he is responsible for everything that happens. Doesn't matter if he was just a stupid actor. Doesn't matter if he knows nothing about guns. It is his job as executive producer to make sure the set is safe for the actors and crew. The buck stops with him.
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