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    I will volunteer for Astronaut (13A). I need a vacation from this planet.
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    Simply follow the example of our esteemed Statesman Ted Nugent and drop 5 hits of acid before your physical examination, then literally defecate your britches in front of the doctor. Guaranteed 4F.

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    Not worried about me. Too old to tote a rifle, but my profession and skills may still make "essential". However, I would likely be a bigger "problem" for them than an asset.

    What aggravates me more is my sons are draft age. While it is ultimately their decision on the matter, I will be a strong advocate of an extended vacation out of the country rather than fight a war for the current government. While I dont really know how far I would go to protect them, I suspect it is likely much further than I can currently conceive.
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    A draft will never be implemented again for several reasons:

    1. The cost of trying to enforce the law would be astronomical. The legal challenges alone would cost billions of dollars and waste years of time.

    And that's just in the courtroom, the prospect of actually trying to physically round up people and then put them into a non-voluntary military would be even worse. It would the the left-wing equivalent of the kind of resistance you'd see if they outlawed guns and tried going door-to-door to take them. It simply would not work, half of the police would refuse to enforce such laws, armed resistance would be common, it would result in a complete breakdown of society if anyone tried it (which is why they won't.)

    2. There's no political will to do it. Nobody with a lick of electability is going to support compulsory military service for the reasons stated above, it would destroy civil society.

    3. The MILITARY doesn't want it. We no longer fight wars by sending masses of troops charging across No Man's Land, which is the only kind of war a conscript Army can fight in. Look at the problems we had in the Middle East with volunteer soldiers - we still had soldiers murdering, assaulting. and abusing civilians, how much worse do you think that would be if it was a pissed-off 20-something who was forced at gunpoint to go into the military? You think that's going to make him a BETTER soldier? No way in hell.

    As a retired senior NCO, I would rather go to war with a platoon of soldiers who WANT to serve than a brigade of soldiers who were forced into military service and don't want to be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint45 View Post
    Simply follow the example of our esteemed Statesman Ted Nugent and drop 5 hits of acid before your physical examination, then literally defecate your britches in front of the doctor. Guaranteed 4F.
    Considering they're now researching for and inquiring the use of altering substances for PTSD. I doubt that would pass muster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    Considering they're now researching for and inquiring the use of altering substances for PTSD. I doubt that would pass muster.

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    From what I've read, MDMA actually has a solid track record of positive results when administered in a clinical setting with a good therapist. Originally it was used for couples therapy, then they saw it worked well for PTSD. I don't think I would ever want to ingest a substance that makes you "love everyone" though... "Y'know, maybe Commies aren't all bad," lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinjmpr View Post
    A draft will never be implemented again for several reasons:

    1. The cost of trying to enforce the law would be astronomical. The legal challenges alone would cost billions of dollars and waste years of time.

    And that's just in the courtroom, the prospect of actually trying to physically round up people and then put them into a non-voluntary military would be even worse. It would the the left-wing equivalent of the kind of resistance you'd see if they outlawed guns and tried going door-to-door to take them. It simply would not work, half of the police would refuse to enforce such laws, armed resistance would be common, it would result in a complete breakdown of society if anyone tried it (which is why they won't.)

    2. There's no political will to do it. Nobody with a lick of electability is going to support compulsory military service for the reasons stated above, it would destroy civil society.

    3. The MILITARY doesn't want it. We no longer fight wars by sending masses of troops charging across No Man's Land, which is the only kind of war a conscript Army can fight in. Look at the problems we had in the Middle East with volunteer soldiers - we still had soldiers murdering, assaulting. and abusing civilians, how much worse do you think that would be if it was a pissed-off 20-something who was forced at gunpoint to go into the military? You think that's going to make him a BETTER soldier? No way in hell.

    As a retired senior NCO, I would rather go to war with a platoon of soldiers who WANT to serve than a brigade of soldiers who were forced into military service and don't want to be there.
    I would agree with you on all the points that are preference. IE prefer to go to war with a volunteer army. The legal defense costs and political will are all based generally on current readiness requirements. Under current needs and considering recent history, there is no justification for a draft. What you are neglecting to consider is the unforeseen. We could not have fought WW2 without a draft, 50 million registered and 10 million inducted. After 9/11, only about 180k enlisted, that worked for one theater, but would not for multiple. Wars have been basically one theater at a time for the last ~70 years but there is no guarantee it will be that way in the future. Mankind is violent and childish, and we are likely overdue for a large conflict. No one wants a draft, until that time comes that there is no other choice. If Iran, Russia and China all decide to join hands (along with a bunch of other supporting Brics types) and come after us, we probably wouldnt have an option. While we dont typically fight battles with human waves, all three of those opponents still do. Even if we prefer a more targeted battle method employing high technology, our opponent knows they can get around that and drag us into ground hammering. We may like to claim some sort of victory in Afghanistan, but just like every other conquerer in history that tried to take those lands, we got our ass handed to us and had to leave. A time may come when we need substantially more bodies on the line than we can muster currently. The percentage of willing volunteers is finite, and I contend is currently dropping due to the crap our current leaders are doing. When Biden finally kicks the wrong hornet nest, do you think young men will flock to the enlistment lines? I dont.
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    Simple online form sent to Denver and I am an undraftable “female”


    Also, way too old
    I am not smart enough to edit the "title"

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