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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-Boy View Post
    WW2 was, objectively, the worst thing humans have ever done.
    I guess you didn't hear that Trump won again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rondog View Post
    Well, duh. New World Order, one world government, ethnic cleansing, etc. The scary part is someday they may get it right.
    This planet might be better with 75% less people on it.

    I am starting a list, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Me personally, I like supporting our US Defense industry
    You mean depleting our defenses.

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    paying American wages
    With unnecessary deficit spending and increased costs on American taxpayers.


    And now we've given one of our biggest adversaries all the training and information they could possibly ever dream of to defeat many of our weapons.

    At the same time, Russia has hit stride, absolute peak defense production.

    Russia is producing more than 3 times more munitions than we are, as a result of being forced to to keep up the fight. If this fight does expand to us, we're not prepared and we've given our enemy everything they need to have the jump on us.

    3.5 million Russians are working in the defense sector. Double compared to before the war. Their factories are running 24/7.

    Russia production is outpacing ours by 3 fold and our stockpiles are empty. We're not hurting Russia, we're HELPING them gain an even stronger war footing. We're hurting ourselves.

    But sure. Let's push our own defense supply into critical levels at a time the American taxpayer is fucked all because war is "great for factories" . That's some boneheaded bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint45 View Post
    This planet might be better with 75% less people on it.

    I am starting a list, lol.
    Who is #1?

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    Can it be me? I?ve always wanted to be first at something
    Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Haw haw haw?..

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...t-news-updates
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrain...a-kremlin-says

    President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied missiles to strike deeper inside Russia

    "Aggression against Russia by any nonnuclear state, but with the support of a nuclear state, is proposed to be considered as their joint attack on Russia," he (Putin) said during a televised meeting of Russia's Security Council.

    "Russia will also consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons when receiving reliable information about a massive launch of means of aerospace attack and their crossing of our state border."


    1000 days into this debacle, do those of you that were in favor of American assistance to Ukraine still support it?
    Yes. What I don't support is the blank check approach. Putin is aggressive when he thinks he can get away with it -- he didn't try anything when Trump was in power and he'll probably seek a face-saving way to end this now. I still maintain he only moved in on Ukraine because he expected Biden and the rest of the West to just rollover and accept his annexation.

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    Yeah. People forget that Russia didn't invade to reclaim eastern Ukraine or have recognition for Crimea.

    They sped towards Kiev with everything they had, they were going to blitz the entire country. At the time, Ukraine had no support from the US or Europe because we expected Russia to quickly prevail, and we didn't want Russia recovering western supplies.

    But... Ukraine beat them back. THEN the support came in.

    Since then, Russia has depleted half of it's armor and a tremendous amount of Artillery. It does not have the production capability or the economy to replace either in quantity. Modern arms are expensive and low-quantity. Russia's battlefield tactic has always surrounded sheer number and expendibility. Russia has always had a tremendous stockpile of artillery and armor. This war has tought us the value in artillery and hybrid, combination battlefields, and western nations have been ramping up production of munitions which takes time. These are much better lessons to learn when there are no US lives being lost as a consequence; if we found ourselves in a China/NK/Russia confrontation prior to this war, the lession would have been expensive, as it still would've taken us a couple years to appropriately ramp up where it matters.

    Most importantly, it has lent us a lession to be prepared for drone warefare, and to not overly invest in armor. China would've happily lent us that lession a few years from now, we'd have had no defenses for the drone swarms they could produce.

    Outside of munitions, we have not been sending newly produced equipment to Ukraine. We've largely been sending them assets that we would've decommissioned. Those assets come with a price tag attached, and yes, technically deplete our stockpile, but would've been sent for scrap before our next near-peer war regardless.

    That's not to say it's been cheap; but the ROI of taking out half of Russia's armor and artillary and the lessions WE have learned have come at a cost of 1/60th what we paid to fight against a 3rd world, insurgent population that had no access to armor or artillary, at a cost of 60,000 US casualties (7k+ fatalities).

    Our adversaries have also learned that the world won't ignore a new expansion and restoration of the USSR, and that their own confidence in their own capabilities is grossly misplaced. We have shown that even our old equipment from the 90's can kick their ass, and learned any weaknesses in the process. We have not shown them what we, ourselves, would do to them.
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    Just think what STRATCOM could do with a Starship 150 ton payload. Whoever has the weapons, makes the rules.
    Per Ardua ad Astra

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    And Russia has launched an ICBM at Ukraine today…

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d1lj3nwqo

    US President Joe Biden has agreed to give Ukraine anti-personnel land mines, a US defence official told the BBC, a move seen as an attempt to slow Russian troops who have been steadily advancing in Ukraine's east in recent months.

    Russia and the US are not signatories to the Ottawa Convention banning the use or transfer of anti-personnel landmines, although Ukraine is.

    Trump said he would end this war on day one if elected. Is the current administration so petty and spiteful as to sabotage those efforts?
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