Greenland!

[rfenster]

Trump's bloviating about a takeover of Greenland is very damaging, alienating our NATO allies. Greenland is of real importance to the U.S. in controlling future trade routes as well as in any hot conflict with Russia. If it's important enough, why wouldn't the U.S. simply buy Greenland from Denmark? The gross national product of Greenland is around $4 Billion, and the GNP of Denmark is ~$450 billion. Wouldn't a friendly private offering of say, one or two trillion dollars plus investment considerations be the better approach for president dealmaker?

If he really does want Greenland, and I'm not sure that he does, then that is likely his plan.

The President bloviates about stuff. Makes wild claims about possible terrible offers or horrible actions. Then when the rubber meets the road he offers something that is way below market value, but WAY above the terrible offer or horrible action.

Then the other side takes his offer and everyone is happy.

Art of the deal.

[crashdown]

hoping we make it a US territory


so I can go hunt Musk Ox without needing a passport

Should I tell him?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Trump's bloviating about a takeover of Greenland is very damaging, alienating our NATO allies. Greenland is of real importance to the U.S. in controlling future trade routes as well as in any hot conflict with Russia. If it's important enough, why wouldn't the U.S. simply buy Greenland from Denmark? The gross national product of Greenland is around $4 Billion, and the GNP of Denmark is ~$450 billion. Wouldn't a friendly private offering of say, one or two trillion dollars plus investment considerations be the better approach for president dealmaker?

As Ben Shapiro said during Trump 1.0, Trump says a lot of shit. Sometimes some of it even comes true or matches reality. It's still better than the alternatives we've been presented for the last 15-20 years.

[theGinsue]

It's still better than the alternatives we've been presented for the last 15-20 years.

And IMHO, THIS, this is what it all comes down to. Whether from the left, the right or independents, love him, or hate him, we haven't been given any alternative better that what we've got in office right now.

[flogger]

Not that it has anything to do with Trump, but that whole Greenland/Inuit/IUD/birth control scandal back in the 60's & 70's was unusual. I doubt it could happen today.

[Clint45]

Supposedly, having a military base in Greenland would be a "game changer" tactically... and if we do not put one there soon, China or Russia will. Do not know if that is true, and it would suck to be stationed there when the temperature drops to fifty below.

Most likely this is merely a distraction from something else.

[HoneyBadger]

Supposedly, having a military base in Greenland would be a "game changer" tactically... and if we do not put one there soon, China or Russia will. Do not know if that is true, and it would suck to be stationed there when the temperature drops to fifty below.

Most likely this is merely a distraction from something else.

We already have a substantial military base there... Formerly known as Thule, now called Pituffik Space Force Station. We used to have a dozen bases all over during the height of the cold war, and now it's just down to one. It's a missile warning radar side that is directly between Russia's most likely ICBM/SLBM launch locations and our Northern CONUS border.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base

[FoxtArt]

Yeah, we don't need to take Greenland to build additional bases etc., either.

Talking about, much less actually forcing an annexation (regardless of method) is essentially all about ego.

[ruthabagah]

Someone send me this article the other day, and I think this is spot on:


If the United States follows through on the threat to invade Greenland, we need to be crystal clear about what happens the next morning. This is not a real estate transaction or a routine military exercise. It is the geopolitical equivalent of pulling the pin on a grenade in a crowded elevator. The moment American boots hit the ground in Nuuk to seize territory from a fellow NATO member, the world as we know it ends. The consequences will not be temporary sanctions or angry letters. They will be total, permanent, and devastating.

The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself. NATO is built on the sacred promise of Article 5, that an attack on one is an attack on all. If the U.S. attacks Denmark, we are not just breaking the treaty; we are triggering it against ourselves. NATO dissolves instantly. The alliance that kept the peace in Europe for 75 years evaporates, leaving the continent to rearm and realign against the new aggressor across the Atlantic. We don't just lose an ally; we create a unified enemy.

The military repercussions will be swift and humiliating. Europe will immediately demand the closure of every U.S. military base on the continent. Ramstein in Germany, Aviano in Italy, Lakenheath in the UK, all gone. Our ability to project power into the Middle East and Africa vanishes overnight. We will be evicted from the very soil we helped liberate and defended for decades, forced to retreat to our own shores as a fortress nation, isolated and friendless.

Then comes the economic nuclear option. The European Union is the largest single market in the world, and they will weaponize it. Europe will likely move to call in U.S. debt and dump their dollar reserves, sending the value of our currency into a death spiral. The U.S. economy, which relies on the dollar being the global reserve currency, will collapse. Inflation will make the post-COVID spikes look like a rounding error. Your savings will be worthless before the ink dries on the invasion orders.

Corporate America will face an extinction event. U.S. companies will be expelled from the European market. Apple, Google, McDonald's, and Tesla will see their assets seized or their operations banned. Trillions of dollars in market capitalization will be incinerated in minutes. The stock market will not just crash; it will close. We are talking about the complete de-globalization of American industry, cutting us off from the wealthiest consumers on the planet.

The skies will go silent. European aviation authorities will almost certainly ground all Boeing jets and ban U.S. airlines from their airspace. Transatlantic travel will cease. If you are in Paris or Berlin, you are stuck there. The logistical arteries that feed our supply chains will be severed. We will be cut off from European medicine, machinery, and technology. We will be an island nation in the worst possible sense.

The cultural isolation will be just as stinging. The International Olympic Committee and FIFA will have no choice but to bar the United States from competition, just as they did with Russia. There will be no World Cup matches in New Jersey. There will be no Team USA in the Olympics. We will be treated as a pariah state, unwelcome on the global stage, forced to watch the world celebrate without us.

For individual Americans, the consequences will be personal and painful. Visa-free travel to Europe will end immediately. Americans currently living or working in Europe will lose their legal protections and residency status. They will become persona non grata, potentially facing deportation or internment. The "blue passport" that used to open every door will suddenly be a red flag at every border crossing.

This is the end of trust, and it does not reset. You cannot invade a democratic ally and then say "my bad" four years later. The psychological break will be permanent. Europe will realize that the United States is no longer a partner but a predator. They will build their own defense architecture, their own financial systems, and their own alliances that specifically exclude us. The West will continue, but the United States will no longer be part of it.

Invading Greenland is not a show of strength; it is an act of national suicide. We are trading our reputation, our economy, and our security for a frozen island and a handful of minerals we can't even process. The price of this real estate deal is everything we built over the last century. If we cross this line, there is no going back. We will be the lonely superpower, ruling over nothing but our own decline.

I honestly think this is just a dog and pony show to detract from other stories?.


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[BushMasterBoy]

This is just nuclear proliferation. The idea is the US has nuclear weapons in Greenland and they will absorb an attack instead of mainland North America. I disagree because the fallout from the explosions will cover the globe. A lethal dose of plutonium is about 50 micrograms inhaled. It is what killed my father. Ionizing radiation is very bad for you. I am very sick right now from exposure to radioactive beryllium oxide.


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