For you anti death penalty members…

[cebeu]

I wasn't accusing you of being inconsistent. Just drawing a comparison between how we both manage to reconcile what to the other seems like two conflicting ideas.

I'm with ya' Jake, I was not trying to come across as "an ass," was just being specific.

[ERNO]

Strange comparison, and not a good one, but I’ll answer you;

1. I’ve been very clear and consistent to-date Jake;

A) I expect the State to afford its citizenry with the DP option via the judicial system and I expect it to be employed responsibly when warranted.

B) For a host of reasons I do not and will not support the migration to a State-run health-system. The concept disgusts me on multiple fronts and “trust” is but a minor one.

2. “Trust?” I have previously and again here now, acknowledged potential [and real] failings of the system and I’m willing to accept the inherent risks that some others are not. Put simply Jake, when individuals exhibit the vile behavior as demonstrated in this case backed by confession and tangible fact yes, I fully support extermination. Further, as a citizen and as a human-being I accept the significant burden of my decision, the heavy responsibility that comes with it and I’m very comfortable with my position on the subject.

Back to this case, I expect conviction, I expect the death-penalty to be invoked and I expect it to be carried-out, no quarter for Steven Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky, only death. For those of you with a differing view I understand your position(s) but will continue to disagree on this case.

I would like to ask you a question cebeu. Even though the death penalty is legal in your state, do you support the authority of the governor, or especially the Supreme Court to grant stays in the death penalty?

[cebeu]

I would like to ask you a question cebeu. Even though the death penalty is legal in your state, do you support the authority of the governor, or especially the Supreme Court to grant stays in the death penalty?

Yes. That said; I often call into question the basis employed and processes associated on a case-by-case circumstance.

[cebeu]

The New Haven jury did their part for trial 1.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/08...nvasion-trial/

"Jurors in New Haven Superior Court voted unanimously to send Steven Hayes to death row after deliberating over the span of four days..."

Shit-bag 1 - Steve Hayes: Convicted previously, appropriate sentence recommended (death) and to be imposed 12/2/10, execution date...far...far...in the future...if ever.

Shit-bag 2 - Joshua Komisarjevsky: Trial pending, sentence pending, TBD

[BigBear]

The commandment is "You shall not murder"; not "you shall not kill".

Yay, I've said that before. Lots of "thought" translations of the Bible do not use a literal word by word translation. The Hebrew word in this commandment literally means "murder", not "kill" as pointed out. Just excited to see something I've said before pop up.


As fas as this dicussion is concerned, interesting thoughts. I'm enjoying reading this. Only things I would insert is, how do we justify life sentences for these repeat criminals (heineous repeated crimes) and not just kill them?

[Irving]

Labor is the only reasonable option imo.

[Hoosier]

Only things I would insert is, how do we justify life sentences for these repeat criminals (heineous repeated crimes) and not just kill them?

• They (ok, not these examples, but others) may be innocent, and death penalty isn't something you can fix later.
• Killing people who don't pose an immediate threat is immoral
• Maybe life inside transforms them and they become the next Shakespeare and write/invent/discover some next big thing. Unlikely, but possible.
• It's cheaper to keep them alive, due to the other legally mandated procedures involved with death penalty cases

H.

[ghettodub]

I'd heard that it's cheaper to keep someone alive inside prison as opposed to executing them, which I have a hard time believing. Most of the numbers I've seen related to that have been from anti-death penalty groups, but I would love to see if there is other information related to that. But still...

My belief is that serious repeat violent offenders, e.g. mass murders, serial rapists/pedophiles, etc should just be killed. They've lost all possible value to society, except maybe to teach us new things about the human mind that we previously didn't know, so they should be erased. But, every case and the circumstances surrounding the crime, needs to be unique without a blanket punishment.

And while this may sound ridiculous, I'm serious about it: we need to implement "The Running Man" for these baddies. Put it on PPV, and if they live, put em on an island somewhere and they can try to live out there days.

Just my .02

[Anton]

The prison system as it is currently set up clearly doesn't work. Whether you're for or against the death penalty, its pretty clear that prison just isn't the deterrent it should be.

[roberth]

The death penalty is wholly earned and deserved for this particular crime. Unfortunately the legal system being what it is these 2 will serve out their years a little less comfortably than the rest of us.

As to costs of the death penalty, maybe if we had swift execution of sentence rather than decades of appeals the costs would be in favor of execution.

As to rehab, how someone spends their time is their business but I think these efforts are wasted. I do not think I know any rehabbed felons.

Do we rule by law or by exception to the law? Should we treat death penalty eligible cases with kid gloves because the accused might be innocent, because someone in some state was one innocent person among hundreds, nay thousands of guilty felons?

Do we enforce the laws and prosecute criminal activity or do we go easy and give the accused every way out because the accused (no matter how unlikely) might be innocent?

How many lives are you willing to endanger as to not tread on the rights of the accused? Some of you sound like you'd endanger us all to live out your fantasy of saving some career criminal.

And finally, who speaks for the victims? I believe the victims are trampled underfoot because the system is so concerned with the rights of the accused.