Combat troops to get gay sensitivity training

[lebru]

Its funny how a lot of people act like gays have only been serving in the military since the repeal of DADT, or that we are going to get overrun with gays now. News flash, gays have served in the military since the revolutionary war. Its not going to change anything, but this sensitivity training is a lot of bull shit. Gays in the military are not the issue.

[Troublco]

My issue had nothing in particular to do with gays in the military (wasn't trying to hijack the thread) but about the fact that these BS training sessions are continually added to the point of distraction, and Hoosier, No, you just don't, and won't, get it.

[Hoosier]

My issue had nothing in particular to do with gays in the military (wasn't trying to hijack the thread) but about the fact that these BS training sessions are continually added to the point of distraction, and Hoosier, No, you just don't, and won't, get it.

What exactly is it that I'm not getting? That's what I was asking. I've seen it said several times that "if you didn't serve you can't understand." I'm not sure what aspect about service can't be conveyed. Please enlighten.

H.

[Ranger]

What exactly is it that I'm not getting? That's what I was asking. I've seen it said several times that "if you didn't serve you can't understand." I'm not sure what aspect about service can't be conveyed. Please enlighten.

H.

I don't think you can't understand, you seem like a bright guy . It's one of those undefined emotions I suppose. I know I served with gays, I just didn't KNOW. I have to now treat you in a different way than my other brothers because of who you decide to stick it to? I understood the sensitivity training with women, the supposed weaker sex and all, but this is just downright silly to me. Let's just weaken us a bit more by telling us we can't call someone a faggot anymore because they might just be one and break down on me. Whatever hurts the brotherhood in any way is FUBAR, that's my emotion. I honestly believe a civvy can understand that, I won't belittle your intelligence by saying otherwise.

For me, bottom line: RLTW (gay or not).

[theGinsue]

Not to highjack this thread, but... (translated: I'm highjacking this thread)

What aspect of military service is such that it cannot be conveyed to someone who hasn't been there? The feeling of trusting others with your life? That you'll give 110% not because of the orders but so that you don't let your brothers down? The berating and screaming of boot camp? The trust that these guys will lay down their life for you?

It seems like the difference between sympathy and empathy.

H.

No, you just don't, and won't, get it.

I've worked in both the civilian corporate and blue collar sector and served 20 yrs in the military.

In the corporate sectore there is the term "loyalty". In the military there is a "sense of duty". These might sound the same but they aren't anything alike.

Esprit de corps is something that I haven't seen anything in the civilian sector that even clomes close.

The camaraderie between brothers in arms has no civilian equivalent either. Sure, I've had camaraderie with coworkers in the civilian sector, but nothing like what I experienced in the military; it just doesn't exist.

The bonds you form, the pride of service you experience, the sacrifices you make for a cause much greater than yourself - and often times you family take on a nuance that just don't translate into the civilian sector.

They are unique flavors much like the difference between beef pot roast and prime rib roast. Same animal, right? Both are cooked somewhat similarly, right? Yet their flavors are significantly unique and trying to explain those differences and define them to someone who hasn't tasted both cuts of meat is this side of impossible.

[Irving]

So you wrestle when you're bored and huddle together for warmth when you're cold, but no one wants to do that with a gay guy? Getting warmer?

Byte, no one is having a meeting about sensitivity DURING combat. Come on.

By the way, no hard feelings from me. I know I haven't been in, and I also know that I shouldn't say anything or have an opinion, but sometimes I just can't keep my mouth shut. I apologize for those times.

[Byte Stryke]

Byte, no one is having a meeting about sensitivity DURING combat. Come on.

as this is a very recent precedence I cannot say I have been in sensitivity training *IN* Combat.
I have, However, been in some ridiculously stupid meetings while a firefight/Shelling broke out.
The point actually is, why take time from troops training for combat to train for something as asinine as this.

For it being a Military they sure are worried about our troops offending someone.

[Ranger]

For it being a Military they sure are worried about our troops offending someone.

This IS the Obama Military Byte, so pretty soon we'll be replacing lead rounds with rainbows, teddy bears and hugs and we will overwhelm the enemy with compassion for their hatred of us.

[HBARleatherneck]

I am going to sidetrack you guys.

So, is there anything written anywhere that says military service is a right?
Can the military make rules that keep people out?

Such as too fat, too short, too tall, too weak, too low of inteligence
level,?
So, is it now of limits trying to keep anyone out? Im just asking.

If military service is a guaranteed right than everyone should be able to serve. wether they are 800 pounds, anti guns, anti war, 2 foot tall, 12 years old, 99 years old, gay, straight, beastyalist(sp), etc, they should be let in.
If we have no guaranteed rights to serve in the military, then we should do whatever it takes to keep it an elite fighting force. No matter, whose feelings get hurt.

period. my opinion.

[BigBear]

This thread is gay....


I've always looked up to and admired our military. Even when exposed to the not so nice side of things such as the idiots, thugs, gang-members, etc, I always thought that they were just the bad apples. My father served, his father, his father, etc. I'll never get that chance.... but the way things are going, I'm not sure I want that chance anymore.

Sincerest "Thanks" to all those who have and are serving whether you are gay or not. If you can "nut up" and do the job without being a whiny diva, then great.

If not, I'm sure there's a body bag waiting for you somewhere. Which I think is the bottom line. Are our soldiers being trained to fight and kill without mercy, remorse, and self condemnation/trepidation... or are they being forced to get in touch with their "feelings" and become inadequate on the battlefield?

I'm not saying that a killer cannot be emotionally "in touch". Don't read that last paragraph the wrong way.
Just my thoughts, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.