Firearm Security in Vehcile

[tonantius]

OK. this is the case:

U.S Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit

Bastible, etal. vs. Weyerhaeuser Company

http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/05/05-7037.pdf

[ghettodub]

OK. this is the case:

U.S Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit

Bastible, etal. vs. Weyerhaeuser Company

http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/05/05-7037.pdf

Awesome, thanks man. I'll check that out!

[Irving]

It doesn't really matter what the law says, they can still fire you for whatever they want with little to no recourse for you. What TFogger says about a warrant is true, but if you refused to let them search it (I would), they'd just fire you on the spot. My place of employment makes everyone sign the same kind of thing. They'll never be searching my car though.

[SideShow Bob]

They'll never be searching my car though.

Is it because the reek of rotten pizza will cause them to get sick to their stomachs at 50 paces ?

Due to the state of our current economy and the great job market, most of us don't want to test the legality of our employer's prohibition of firearms on company property.

[Irving]

Oh yeah, Bear, I thought it was you that said that if there was ever a shooting, HR would thank you. Maybe that wasn't you. That's what I was referring to.

[DFBrews]

I found out that the center console on my early 90's jimmy will hold a .30 cal ammo can. so my plan is to
A: never leave my gun in the car or B: have a padlock thru the lid and side of the can with it bolted thru the body of the car for those times i go into a courthouse or something along those lines.

[Beprepared]

I have kids and frequent school grounds. This one is on my short list.
http://dev.truckvault.com/smith-wess...QuickDraw.aspx



Yes a hammer/crowbar could defeat the lock.

[BigBear]

Oh yeah, Bear, I thought it was you that said that if there was ever a shooting, HR would thank you. Maybe that wasn't you. That's what I was referring to.

Neg Sir, wasn't me. I think you're referring to "MaCantar" on page 2.

[Irving]

I'm probably gonna get flak for this comment but....
I've always viewed this as a "better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission" situation. Screw HR... they aren't going to know you're carrying if its concealed, and the only way they'll find out is if you actually need to use it while at work, in which case they'll most likely be thanking you for having it.

Yeah this one, sorry Bear.

There is no way HR will thank you. You'd be fired before the first responder arrived.

[68Charger]

There is no way HR will thank you. You'd be fired before the first responder arrived.

I'm with you Irving- Corporate policy - HR Dept's, and Logic are not in the same hemisphere.

They're never about logic, or even doing what's right- they're about covering the company butt, and the company bottom line.

I completed a company-provided "active shooter awareness" web training (it was on the internal training website)- which proves they are aware shootings could occur...
it was more entertaining than useful

the recommendation from the training, in the order of preference:

Evacuate- have an escape route and plan in mind, leave your belongings, run your ass off (ok, I added that one), and Keep your hands visible (presuming LE has arrived)
I tried to have an escape route in mind & plan- both exits from the floor I work on are visible from a single point- there are a couple alternatives, involving jumping down ~10-15ft, one without even breaking a window... but they would avoid the pinch point

Hide out- Hide in an area out of the shooter's view, block entry to your hiding place and lock the doors, silence your cell phone and/or pager
I also scoped this out- all conference rooms do NOT have locks, any room on my floor with a lock on it is (you guessed it) already locked
Best I could do is hide under a desk in a cubicle...

Take action- as a last resort and only when you life is in imminent danger. Attempt to incapacitate the shooter- act with physical agression and throw items at the active shooter (they actually mentioned "like a stapler or a tape dispenser")

There was some other advice as to how to respond when law enforcement arrives (this was actually good advice, and useful- but until LE is there, we're basically screwed)

The Dept of Homeland Security crest was on the training- I don't know if they approved it, recommended it, or just allowed the use of their symbol.