consitutional carry passes house committee

[TFOGGER]

I saw this pass while at work and I was telling my co-worker who also happens to have a concealed carry permit, proficient at using her G17 and a very smart person.

I told how cool this would be and move in the right direction...

She brought up a good point that made me think...

Those of us (civilian, non-military, etc) that have a permit had to take a class. In that class if it was worth anything and not just a time killer, they went over when lethal force may be appropriate, ramifications of using your firearm in self-defense, used real world examples of when people were justified and when they were not and wound up being charged for something. They talked about the financial impacts if you should your firearm even if you were in the right. The potential for a civil law suit even if you are cleared of criminal activity. Yes they had an attorney there and he did not give black/white cases where deadly force can be used but circumstances and the like.

Her point being and my thoughts now; shouldn't there be some education even for good citizens so they don't find them self on the wrong side of the law for using their firearm.

One example; I can think of was that guy a few years back that got car-jacked, as the car-jacker started to drive away in the victims car, he shot and hit the jacker. While I believe most people that aren't educated in when and when not to use deadly force as a civilian would think thats an appropriate use, it was deemed NOT to be and the civilian was arrested and charged.

So, before any of you jump on me and say, I'm anti-gun or anti-this bill, or anything like that. I'm definitely pro-2nd amendment.. I'm just concerned for the average good citizen...

Again, this doesn't seem to be a huge issue in states that allow carry without a permit (Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona). I appreciate that you are concerned about the same yahoos that do stupid sh!t like mailing live animals in priority mail boxes will be carrying firearms, but stupid tends to be self correcting. I still feel that Constitutional carry is likely to make society as a whole safer through reduced crime rates.

[Zundfolge]

... in states that allow carry without a permit (Vermont, Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming)...

There ... fixed that for you

[TFOGGER]

There ... fixed that for you

Darn revisionist historians...My post was made before I found out that Wyoming came into the fold.

[funkfool]

Permitless Carry Bill Advancing in the Colorado Legislature, Faces an Uphill Battle Friday, March 18, 2011

Your Urgent Action Is Needed

On March 2, House Bill 1205 passed in the Colorado House by a 20 to 15 vote. House Bill 1205, introduced by state Representative Chris Holbert (R-44), would allow residents to carry a concealed handgun without a permit as long as they are legally eligible to purchase and possess a firearm. The NRA strongly supports the constitutional right of Coloradans to carry for self-defense.

Despite NRA support for this bill, HB 1205 faces an uphill battle as the Democratic leadership in the state Senate has consistently assigned pro-gun bills to the Senate State, Military & Veterans Affairs Committee. Their designated “kill committee” has predictably defeated pro-Second Amendment bills by 3 to 2 partisan votes during the last several years. In addition, Colorado Governor and former Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper (D) has been a member of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns and he would almost certainly veto such legislation.

Despite this, the NRA will continue to urge lawmakers and the Governor to support this pro-gun legislation. HB 1205 is scheduled for a hearing this Tuesday, March 22, in the Senate State, Military & Veterans Affairs Committee. Please contact the three dissenting members of this committee and respectfully urge them to end partisan politics and support HB 1205. Contact information for these committee members can be found below.

Senator Rollie Heath (D-18), Chairman
303-866-4872
rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us
Senator Bob Bacon (D-14), Vice Chairman
303-866-4841
bob.bacon.senate@state.co.us
Senator Betty Boyd (D-21)
303-866-4857
betty.boyd.senate@state.co.us

[Lex_Luthor]

Email Sent.

[Inconel710]

E-mail sent:

To the Honorable Senators Heath, Bacon, and Boyd,

I am writing you today to express my support for HB 1205 which will be considered by your committee. As free Americans, we are not required to have a license to excercise our First Ammendment right to free speech. I see no reason why we need to ask permission to exercise our Second Ammendment freedoms either. Passage of this bill will not cause an increase in gun violence as the gun control advocates try to claim. They made similar claims when Florida enacted its "No Retreat" Law, when Arizona enacted a similar law to HB 1205, and when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on the Heller and McDonald Cases - every time their predictions of chaos and mayhem have not come to pass. Don't believe the gun control lobby this time - they'll be wrong again.

Please pass HB 1205.

Thank you,

Inconel710
Colorado Springs

[Byte Stryke]

I saw this pass while at work and I was telling my co-worker who also happens to have a concealed carry permit, proficient at using her G17 and a very smart person.

I told how cool this would be and move in the right direction...

She brought up a good point that made me think...

Those of us (civilian, non-military, etc) that have a permit had to take a class. In that class if it was worth anything and not just a time killer, they went over when lethal force may be appropriate, ramifications of using your firearm in self-defense, used real world examples of when people were justified and when they were not and wound up being charged for something. They talked about the financial impacts if you should your firearm even if you were in the right. The potential for a civil law suit even if you are cleared of criminal activity. Yes they had an attorney there and he did not give black/white cases where deadly force can be used but circumstances and the like.

Her point being and my thoughts now; shouldn't there be some education even for good citizens so they don't find them self on the wrong side of the law for using their firearm.

One example; I can think of was that guy a few years back that got car-jacked, as the car-jacker started to drive away in the victims car, he shot and hit the jacker. While I believe most people that aren't educated in when and when not to use deadly force as a civilian would think thats an appropriate use, it was deemed NOT to be and the civilian was arrested and charged.

So, before any of you jump on me and say, I'm anti-gun or anti-this bill, or anything like that. I'm definitely pro-2nd amendment.. I'm just concerned for the average good citizen...

I can appreciate the concern and the viewpoint.
The logic is flawed.

This law is not putting firearms into new hands. This law only places CC in the same legal status as open carry now.
It is perfectly legal to walk down the street with a .50 hand-cannon strapped to your leg... in the open, no problem. And we dont have daily wild-wild-west shootouts at the OK corral, much to the dismay of the Brady Campaign.

We already have people packing guns in their cars, on their persons (open and CC) and in their homes. People will always do stupid things as your example pointed out. Classes might help but that should be up to the individual person. I don't feel you can not legislate stupid anymore than you can legislate responsibility.

This isn't going to put guns into the hands of criminals or make it easier for them. They already have guns and are only concerned about this law as it is arming their victims.

[Jer]

Email sent. Posting to facebook and firing out emails to others I know as well.

[ronaldrwl]

Sent emails to our 3 Reps of which 2 are sponsors.

[DOC]

Email sent. I hope they contact me if they are having any doubts. I will do my best to reassure them that they are doing the right thing.