How much trouble am I in...

[BigMat]

Have to say I agree,
My dad is an lawyer and I am a dumb s&$t.

I was taught early it is in my best interest, to keep my mouth shut, don't need to lie, but don't need to say anything either, and for sure don't write anything. in fact, I should delete this.

The process can be slow, but there is no need to sink your own ship by talking before you think about it or ask someone who knows the rules of the game what they think first.

[Irving]

They will follow up on the license plate. Any patrol officer will.

Got to love the anti-cop crowd here on the forum. Makes me wonder why I bother to help the public when there are haters like those on the forum that want to second guess and Monday quarterback everything.

When I got jumped by two guys in a parking lot, on camera, and the license plate of the car they drove away in was caught on camera, exactly nothing was done about it. Sure, the detective called the people, but they said they didn't want to come down to talk. Case closed.

Also, everything ldmaster said. I would delete this whole post myself.

[BigMat]

In terms of the hating on cops thing, I think that it is a misrepresentation.

I get the feeling most of "us" are pissed, not at cops but at the system, in which we worry about crap so trivial as 922r compliance and speeding and know people rob, cheat, murder and steal all the time and not get busted for it. This is a bad break for the cops as they are the public face of the "system."

The other thing is the "civilian" thing really should get the axe, any of you cops reading this might want to start the movement, it pisses people off that don't need to be pissed off. cops are civilians, acting like you're not makes us different and that will lose you support that should very easily be in your back pocket. I mean a bunch of guys so afraid of law breakers we gun up, take classes, practice, and prep the tin-foil, should really like the police, we are on the same team.
'But every time I hear "civilians" out of a cops mouth, in reference to not them, it sounds like a power trip.

Also, it gets into the "modeled after the military thing." Many freedom loving types (read:Americans) in general stick very fervently to the rule that the .mil can't act here against civilians, and that doesn't mean cops can just become a de-facto military and everything is OK. It is very un-OK, this is why a lot of law abiding guys hate no-knock raids. We guard our Constitution and our rights vigorously, and good intentions or not, it is best to tread lightly when infringing upon them.

I take pride in being a civilian of this country, its not so bad.

Honestly, I am friends with a lot of cops, I have liked most of them, unless they get on the "civilians" kick hard, then they seem like dicks, but other than that, they are just guys like any of us looking to put food on the table and buy some cool crap now and again.



I guess it comes down to this for me, in health care, we are badgered that every patient is different. It seems to me that in law enforcement, we are all seen as scum bag criminals trying to lie to you. I am not a scum bag, I've tried to lead a good life. If you showed up at my hospital and I pumped you full of Narcan because I just assumed everyone was a drug addict, you'd be pissed, rightfully, please don't assume that I'm trying to rob somebody.

[mcantar18c]

Also, it gets into the "modeled after the military thing." Many freedom loving types (read:Americans) in general stick very fervently to the rule that the .mil can't act here against civilians, and that doesn't mean cops can just become a de-facto military and everything is OK. It is very un-OK, this is why a lot of law abiding guys hate no-knock raids. We guard our Constitution and our rights vigorously, and good intentions or not, it is best to tread lightly when infringing upon them.

The OP won't, or at least shouldn't, say anything further about what happened, so in the interest of a good thread derail, can someone please explain to me how no-knock raids are even legal? Seems like something the Supreme Court should have shot down.
Whenever I hear "no-knock raid" I can't help but imagine a swat team busting through my door unannounced at 3am, and I end up killing one or more with the shotgun that lives by my bed because all I know is somebody just broke down my door. I can guarantee I'd be sent away for the rest of my life, justified or not there's no way out of killing a cop.
I just don't understand how to legally justify a no-knock raid.

[gunnut1]

anyone mind telling me what the spic banter in this thread means?

[colocowboy01]

They will follow up on the license plate. Any patrol officer will.

Got to love the anti-cop crowd here on the forum. Makes me wonder why I bother to help the public when there are haters like those on the forum that want to second guess and Monday quarterback everything.

I wish I could play the martyr card and twist people's words out of context to give me something to whine about every time someone talked about my job. Nobody had said anything about the cops not doing their job, just that the bad guy has no legal leg to stand on meaning there is not much of a case, so the case probably will not be pushed to the limit with lights and sirens going.

None of you know how tiring it is to be welding 10-12 hours a day in the hot summer while trying to keep a crew of guys focused and working also. But, you want your construction to keep going so the economy will recover and your counties and cities can keep collecting more taxes so they don't have to lay the cops off. Makes me wonder why I bother to go to work, maybe I should call everyone haters that gets upset that traffic has to be shut down so the that the electrical vaults I help make all get put in the ground, so you can turn your lights on at night. HATERS

[JohnTRourke]

Talk to some of your "brothers in blue" then. Its not like the growing tension between police and the law abiding citizenry is purely a case of tin-foil-hattery and irrational hatin'.

Last couple of times I've had dealings with the police as a victim of crime I've been treated either with disinterest or as a potential criminal to be investigated (had a gun stolen from my home during a real estate inspection and after I got a copy of the police report for insurance I discovered that the CSPD "Detective" spent his entire time investigating ME for "Filing a False Report" and flirting with one of the witnesses ... after I eventually submitted to a polygraph he realized I wasn't lying ... apparently nothing further was done and the primary suspect was ignored. I suspect its because he was a firefighter moonlighting as a home inspector ... Cops don't seem interested in going after one of their union brothers).

More and more when law abiding folk find themselves dealing with the police they are experiencing the same thing (only part of this is really the fault of the officers involved, the fact that government has an increasingly hostile attitude toward the people certainly puts the police in a bad position).

The problem is two fold, Part of the problem is the fact that politicians are making America a less free place with the law based less and less on the Constitution. The other problem is the culture developing within law enforcement. Too many police seem to see themselves as separate from the people (can't tell you how much it drives me nuts to hear police officers refer to their fellow citizens as "civilians" ... I have news for you bub based on the Posse Comitatus Act YOU are a civilian too).



Anyway, I appreciate the difficult job that cops have, and I understand that most of them are decent folk. But more and more you're going to see "cop bashing" here and elsewhere among law abiding folk until we return this country to the values it was built upon (both politically and culturally).

where's the picture of the guy clapping?

well said.

[Jer]

Wait, so the guy just left a perfectly good bat and drove away? Who does that in this economy?

[Byte Stryke]

practice, and prep the tin-foil, should really like the police, we are on the same team.
'But every time I hear "civilians" out of a cops mouth, in reference to not them, it sounds like a power trip.

Also, it gets into the "modeled after the military thing." Many freedom loving types (read:Americans) in general stick very fervently to the rule that the .mil can't act here against civilians, and that doesn't mean cops can just become a de-facto military and everything is OK. It is very un-OK, this is why a lot of law abiding guys hate no-knock raids. We guard our Constitution and our rights vigorously, and good intentions or not, it is best to tread lightly when infringing upon them.

I take pride in being a civilian of this country, its not so bad.

Honestly, I am friends with a lot of cops, I have liked most of them, unless they get on the "civilians" kick hard, then they seem like dicks, but other than that, they are just guys like any of us looking to put food on the table and buy some cool crap now and again.

Cops are civilians too.
I have no fucking clue how in the hell they think that wearing a blue uniform and doing no-knocks at the local Krispy-Kreme makes them military, but it doesn't work like that.
Now if they have prior military, that's different. Wearing a badge and a gun makes you a public servant, Just like a firefighter, EMT, meter maid.
They all have very dangerous jobs as well. No better or worse than anyone else.

I hear cops talking sometimes and it repulses me.
"fucking civilians"
"fuck it, I'm a cop..."


as if they are better than everyone else.
and then you wonder why no one wants to talk to "cops".

The OP won't, or at least shouldn't, say anything further about what happened, so in the interest of a good thread derail, can someone please explain to me how no-knock raids are even legal? Seems like something the Supreme Court should have shot down.
Whenever I hear "no-knock raid" I can't help but imagine a swat team busting through my door unannounced at 3am, and I end up killing one or more with the shotgun that lives by my bed because all I know is somebody just broke down my door. I can guarantee I'd be sent away for the rest of my life, justified or not there's no way out of killing a cop.
I just don't understand how to legally justify a no-knock raid.

Don't get me started on this.
There is a reason that we have separate channels for phones, because with everyone talking at once its unintelligible.
6 guys breaking into my house wearing black at nice shouting all at the same time is not only absolutely stupid, it's unconstitutional.
While I Do not like the demeanor of some cops, I have no desire to shoot one.
That is exactly what will happen at 3am, I Will assume its a home invasion, 6 guys screaming something all over each other does not constitute "proper identification" and I have voted as much in a jury.
The only thing worse than violating someones constitutional rights, Their home and then taking their life at the wrong address is then not accepting full responsibility for their actions.

[DeusExMachina]

I think you need a new keyboard, your shift key sticks randomly.