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    Default Posting a discussion topic to stop a thread hijack.

    In a review thread on the forum the topic has come up of a local shop denying a purchase from permanent resident.

    http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23062

    Above is the thread that the topic came up in. I will admit I was the first one to stray from the thread topic. So I'm taking the reins (and blame I'm assuming) for this thread.

    Personally I don't disagree with a shop owners right to refuse service for any reason they deem justified. And on this specific topic I have to admit I agree with their decision. Like I stated in the other thread I have never understood the whole "permanent residency" thing. Other than being a step in becoming a naturalized citizen, I don't get the appeal of becoming a permanent resident. If you love this country enough to never want to leave, why not become a citizen? Personally I see it this way, (and I do expect to get flamed for this, so feel free.), if you want all the rights, freedoms and benefits of living in this country, you should be willing to take on the responsibilities of them. I almost have to question the motive to stay here indefinitely without taking the oath of citizenship. Is it so that if things get bad you can just head back to your home country? Without feeling any obligation to protect this one?

    Either way, I dont get it. I also am sure this topic may become a heated one. After stating that I would rather it be here than on a feedback thread.
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    Your position is laughable.

    You think people don't become a citizen immediately because they are afraid of an oath? An oath is just words and words don't cost money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Your position is laughable.

    You think people don't become a citizen immediately because they are afraid of an oath? An oath is just words and words don't cost money.
    For one I know the process of becoming a citizen is a long one, as well it should be. And no I do not believe people choose to not become a citizen out of fear of an oath. What I was saying is I don't understand why someone would choose to stay a permanent resident over becoming an actual citizen. My family alone has numerous immigrants in it. All of them came here and sought citizenship. None them were talked into it, they saw it ad an honor. It was the reason they came here in the first place, to become a United Stares citizen.

    So I ask others that choose to come and stay here, but not become a citizen, why not? To me the only thing I can think of is wanting the rights, freedoms, and privileges of being a citizen without the responsibilities. Not too mention an easy exit out of this country in the event things don't go there way.

    So maybe you misread what I was saying, or I wasn't clear enough. Hope this helps illustrate my point of view.
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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I think it really depends on the kind of person. When you come over as a kid, your parents get your card for the first 10 years, then when it's time to renew, you're a teenager and all you care about is getting a driver's license. Then at 25, they are hitting the bar scene and just renew for another ten years. I think if you are in a family where your parents don't vote and aren't involved in politics or even political discussions, then you don't really care because you can't see how it will effect you.
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    I can see your point, but I also don't see that as justification either. But I also was more worried about my right to vote at a young age than most. I was a registered voter at age 18, didn't get my drivers license until I was 21. I know so many people that came here with the intention to become citizens, and saw how proud they were when they did finally attain that goal. So to me it just says you either don't care about the country you live in, or your priorities are, in my opinion, misplaced. I also come from a family that is very patriotic and passes that down to each generation.
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    My fiance had to have permanent residency first, as a step to becoming a citizen. She's the last one in her family to qualify, I think hers is a period of 5 or 6 years. Everyone in her [immediate] family are citizens, and she's basically waiting to accumulate $700 or so to take the test.... Or to marry me.

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    I know it is a long process, but I agree with it being one. I don't think it should cost you an ARM and a leg though either. On the other side of the coin, I feel high school grads should have to be able to pass the same test that we make immigrants pass. You should know all the knowledge any person seeking citizenship has to or not get your diploma. The lack of historical and political knowledge of today high school grad is appalling. And we all know, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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    I guess shop owner has rights to sell it to whoever they want to.
    However, discriminations CAN BE costly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrena View Post
    I guess shop owner has rights to sell it to whoever they want to.
    However, discriminations CAN BE costly.
    Yes it can be, look at what all the astronomical amount of civil suits have cost this country already. Everyone wants to sue for something. And now we have prices on all things in this country almost out of reach due to companies covering their ass.

    They have it posted that they reserve the right to refuse anyone for any reason. Hard to fight that. I think we need to change the name of the "race card" too the discrimination card. I'm a fat ass and have had plenty of times I've been"discriminated" against because of it. But I'm not one to get up in arms over someone else's opinion of me.
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    Imho- any shop owner, especially a gun shop owner, has the inherent RIGHT to discriminate. How often do you see the sign in the window of the 7-11 "No shirt- no shoes- no service". That is discrimination. Good luck trying to sue a gun shop owner for making the decision- and posting it if necessary, that they will only sell firearms to US citizens.

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