Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
Why do you guys who are against universal healthcare automatically assume all systems are like Canada or England? We are the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare. There are countless other systems out there to look at too. We have the benefit of being able to learn from all the systems as to what works and what does not. Obamas remedy was horrible in my opinion. He did not change any of the root rot. He only made it worse by forcing Americans to have to buy into the current mess.

Equal rights for gays and abortion rights.... well the real conservative (not religious right position) is to let the individual decide. I agree with people like Barry Goldwater on these issues.
Healthcare is not a right. Why you ask, because a right confers no obligation on another person. Each person must be held responsible for their own care and well being, if you fail then you perish unless another individual or group is VOLUNTARILY willing to help you.

This personal responsibility is utterly lost on a great many people.

After reading some on Germany's health care system a thought occurred to me. Where is their impetus to invent new medicines or procedures since the profit motive has been dissolved? Humans aren't that altruistic unless a gun is pointed at their head and then you can bet they won't be thinking about doing a good job, they'll be thinking about doing just enough to survive another day.

http://www.pharmatimes.com/article/1...Lilly_CEO.aspx

www.cges.umn.edu/docs/Dietz_Health_CareInnovation_CGES.pdf - This opens a PDF, you'll notice that there is a directive on page 14 re: individual prescription costs exceeded. Lots of government involvement which is 180 degrees from how things should be.