why we fight ?

[Ronin13]

Great points BG... but let me restate this for the hard of seeing: THERE IS NO OIL IN AFGHANISTAN. SA, unfortunately what you said is true- to an extent- because we don't and never will OWN the oil in Iraq... but because we liberated them from the evil Saddam (and I'm not being sarcastic here- the guy was about as bad as Hitler, he just didn't have the resources of the 3rd Reich) we should be entitled to some discounts and no-conditions trade agreements (not able to be canceled). The only thing Afghanistan has to do with oil is the conduit it provides to move oil [pipelines].

I'll say it again, and BG is very right on this- killing these cowards is always a good thing, their hatred is being spread and fostered in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran and the list goes on and on... they don't want to negotiate, they refuse to compromise, they can't live in peace and tolerance, and they are very pissed off. The only way to fix the problem is to kill them before they kill us. Plain and simple.
Kill 'em all, let God/Buddah/Allah/Jeebus/Odin/FSM/whoever sort them out.

[Bailey Guns]

Great points BG... but let me restate this for the hard of seeing: THERE IS NO OIL IN AFGHANISTAN.

Yeah, I know that. Just saying oil is worth going to war over. But that isn't why we went into Iraq.

And it wasn't because Bush had it in for Saddam.

It was because they continually violated the UN no-fly zone and the UN authorized the use of force in Iraq to enforce UN resolutions, because they did have WMD, because they did use them (on the Iranians and the Kurds) and because they would've used them again eventually.

[Hoser]

Fight them there or fight them here.

[cstone]

Fight them there or fight them here.

I think Hoser summed it up best.

Some people want to kill Americans.

So let's send some heavily armed and motivated Americans to their backyard and let them take their chances. Otherwise, those people will arm and train until they are ready, and then they will come here to our backyard and kill Americans in "Gun Free Zones."

[OneGuy67]

Yeah, I know that. Just saying oil is worth going to war over. But that isn't why we went into Iraq.

And it wasn't because Bush had it in for Saddam.

It was because they continually violated the UN no-fly zone and the UN authorized the use of force in Iraq to enforce UN resolutions, because they did have WMD, because they did use them (on the Iranians and the Kurds) and because they would've used them again eventually.

Again, not to argue, but does that mean we are going to invade all the other countries that have ignored U.N. sanctions? Like Somalia, (the former) Rwanda, and North Korea for example?

As for the WMD's Saddam used on the Kurd's, it was shortly after the first Gulf War when they rose up with our urging (and without our support) that he used them on them. We then sent troops to Northern Iraq to stop it (Operation Provide Comfort; I was assigned to a MP Brigade that was shipped there for that operation. Long story...) and while in Iraq, we haven't found a stockpile of WMD's worth mentioning yet. We found a couple of Foxbat's hidden in the desert and a few relics of things, but no WMD's.