Obama says same-sex couples should be able to marry

[reno316]

So every other culture in human history EXCEPT Judaism and Christianity allowed gay marriage? Really?

Not sure where you got that from this: "The relative morality in this thread is based on Judeo-Christian theology. I find it fascinating that people who are so strongly for personal liberties when it comes to firearms are do opposed to it when it comes to sexuality."

The point he was making, I think, is that you can no more force your Judeo-Christian morality on me than I can force my Flying Spaghetti Monster-Combat Manatee morality on you (yes, I pray to a Tactical Manatee anda bowl of pasta... what of it?)

I would submit that this is the first time in human history that gay marriage was even CONSIDERED, let alone allowing gays to be openly gay.

I submit, Sir, that you need to read more history.

The idea that marriage is only between only a man and a woman (or a man and several women, but otherwise a heterosexual convention) has been the defacto standard since LONG before Abraham was born (the first Jew) and even longer before Christ.

If that's your argument... because we've always done it that way... then please log off and get rid of your computer, return to a black powder musket (better yet, a bow and arrow and a spear), get rid of any clothing that isn't made from animal skin, quit driving your car, do your math on an abacus instead of a calculator, ditch your eyeglasses, forget watching TV, no radio...

... Blacks can't get married, children can be sold into slavery, nobody gets modern medical care, you only eat what you grow or kill...

"Because it's always been that way" is a horrible excuse to limit humans from having equal rights.

Furthermore, virtually every major world religion condemns homosexuality as some sort of aberration, sin or otherwise "bad juju". So it's not just Christian Republicans.

It has NOTHING to do with religion. It's about equal rights and protection under the law. Why is this so difficult to understand for some people?

One can make the case that it's "fair" to allow gay marriage, even that it's appropriate for a free society like America. But the idea that opposition to gay marriage is some sort of theocratic Judeo-Christian bigotry is just asinine and shows a total lack of awareness of human history.

Funny, then, how it's always the so-called "Christians" that are the loudest and most vocal opponents of gay marriage.

[68Charger]

Here is food for thought or a discussion point: the bill of rights arose to ensure that the government did not infringe on rights we all have as a result of living as free men, they are inalienable. Thus, the right to bear arms is a right all free people have; the second amendment did not give us the right.

Liberals complain that the constitution is negative and does not protect positive rights, such as housing, wealth redistribution.

So if the government does not create rights, only God does, then why does the right to marry have to come from the government?

Remember a government that creates rights will also take them.

^^^ This, the 2nd amendment doesn't grant us the right to bear arms, it EXPRESSLY forbids the government from creating laws that infringe upon that right which citizens already have.

I seem to remember a few stories in the Bible involving gays who weren't immediately turned to salt...

Just because it's in the bible, doesn't mean it's endorsed. The destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah for example...

Not sure where you got that from this: "The relative morality in this thread is based on Judeo-Christian theology. I find it fascinating that people who are so strongly for personal liberties when it comes to firearms are do opposed to it when it comes to sexuality."
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It has NOTHING to do with religion. It's about equal rights and protection under the law. Why is this so difficult to understand for some people?

Funny, then, how it's always the so-called "Christians" that are the loudest and most vocal opponents of gay marriage.

Because there aren't any gays in Iran? Islam certainly speaks out against homosexuality- you just don't hear much arguing where the punishment for coming out of the closet is DEATH

This is one double-standard of Political Correctness... there are many people that are offended by homosexuality, but those that are offended are attacked... but refer to illegals in certain ways, offending someone, and the offender will be attacked. Basically, you're not PC if you don't agree with "them"

welcome to the double standard- both sides do it, it's human nature. There are usually 3 sides to every story- side A's argument, side B's argument, and the truth.

Don't let the Westboro money-grubbers (because that's what their gigs are about) lead you to judge all Christians.

[Zundfolge]

If that's your argument... because we've always done it that way... then please log off and get rid of your computer, return to a black powder musket (better yet, a bow and arrow and a spear), get rid of any clothing that isn't made from animal skin, quit driving your car, do your math on an abacus instead of a calculator, ditch your eyeglasses, forget watching TV, no radio...

You missed the entire point of my post.

I'm not defending or attacking gay marriage (I happen to support a wall of separation between marriage and state ... it offends me that I had to pay the state for the privileged of marrying my wife).

My point is only that 1) opposition to gay marriage is NOT the imposition of "Judeo-Christian values" since opposition to homosexuality pre-dates both religions (and is part of most of the worlds religions, past and present). and 2) this is the first time in history that gay marriage is being seriously considered, so its not like those that oppose it are some odd outliers that are rejecting something that has always been considered a common right (like the right to arms for instance).

[tmleadr03]

You missed the entire point of my post.

I'm not defending or attacking gay marriage (I happen to support a wall of separation between marriage and state ... it offends me that I had to pay the state for the privileged of marrying my wife).

My point is only that 1) opposition to gay marriage is NOT the imposition of "Judeo-Christian values" since opposition to homosexuality pre-dates both religions (and is part of most of the worlds religions, past and present). and 2) this is the first time in history that gay marriage is being seriously considered, so its not like those that oppose it are some odd outliers that are rejecting something that has always been considered a common right (like the right to arms for instance).

And again, you are not correct about that "first time" part.

[Zundfolge]

And again, you are not correct about that "first time" part.

Ok, you're going to have to site some sources here. Show me this list of civilizations that had gay marriage before the latter 20th century.

[tmleadr03]

Ok, you're going to have to site some sources here. Show me this list of civilizations that had gay marriage before the latter 20th century.

Roman Emperor Nero married a man or two. Off the top of my head.

[Rucker61]

Roman Emperor Nero married a man or two. Off the top of my head.

Did you wear a hat?

[tmleadr03]

Did you wear a hat?

Not often. Usually it is off the top of my head...

[Jumpstart]

Based on some of the responses here, I am starting wonder. Did the site change to Gay Colorado AR -15 Shooters when it was offline?

[Ridge]

Based on some of the responses here, I am starting wonder. Did the site change to Gay Colorado AR -15 Shooters when it was offline?

I was kinda wondering if the site had changed to Colorado Self Righteous AR-15 Shooters, myself.