ATF agents point machine guns at 8-year-old Burst into home after being told fugitive had moved out

[HBARleatherneck]

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[JM Ver. 2.0]

No I said that the people should be have the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Machine-gun toting thugs acting as agents of the state, kicking in doors willy nilly is not how America is supposed to be constituted.

Too many in law enforcement see our constitution as an impediment to be worked around or eliminated ... when they finally get their way it's really going to suck to live here (for them too).

So you seem to be more or less saying that you'd rather live in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany or Illinois.

You pretty much just proved my points... See the red areas...

ARREST WARRANT...

If someone gave the police information that the fugitive was there, that is all the PC needed to kick down a door if there is an active arrest warrant for the fugitive. If said fugitive is NOT there, then the informant can be charged with false reporting. Thus, that is why you don't have all kinds of bullshit reports flying around.

Since we DO NOT know how the truth as to how the police came to believe the fugitive was there we CAN NOT say that kicking in the door was illegal.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

first off JMaier, you are a damn poser. go get POST certified, so you can actually be a cop. you dont know shit. you are a dumb kid with a chip on his shoulder, you should never be a cop, you will just be part of the problem.

I was POST certified.

Wake up America, cops are not a protected class of citizens. They are just citizens. We bash politicians, mechanics, CEOs. Criticizing cops is no different. We need to keep an eye on every thing that a cop does. Why??? because they are paid to serve US. Protect US. we must keep them in line, just as we need to keep politicians in line. They work for us... We dont bow to them. They are not anymore important or special than any other citizen. They dont deserve any more respect, than you would give your mechanic. They are people too. They do a job, that needs to be done, just like the mechanic, farmer, teacher, or septic pumper. They know the rules, pay and hours going into the job. They must abide by the rules. And if they dont we need to point it out, that way we keep them on the straight and narrow. I have many friends and family members who are cops. Most cops are just trying to do a job. Sometimes they screw up. Their job is no where near as stressful as A pilot with hundreds of passengers. who is subject to much more stress than a cop on any given day. Yet we are allowed to criticize and poke fun of them when they screw up. Cops are no different.

As AMERICANS we owe it to all other Americans to keep Law Enforcement honest. be that, local, state or federal.

Power corrupts. Thats why we must keep people in a position of power in check, at all times.

Name calling. Cute.

I didn't say you couldn't talk smack about the cops. Talk all the smack you want. I'm just saying not to jump on the bandwagon.

YOU seem to have a chip on YOUR shoulder. I don't care. I post because it's fun. People like you take the posts to heart and get all butt hurt. Which makes me do things like this .

Maybe you should calm down, yeah? They make pills for that.

[lowspeed_highdrag]

The only thing standing in the way of these upstanding officers and them getting their job done is that meddling constitution!! I mean, if someone says a fugitive is in your house, then the cops should be able to just kick that door right in and search everything, I mean...think of the children!

I think the 4th ammendment should be rewritten as:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Except of course when the Police Officers really want to search your house, then the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches will be null and void.

Dont you all remember the American way? Our forefather submitted to their leaders and bowed down. They wouldnt have wanted us to speak out against injustices or to rise up against tyranny, because that just wouldnt be the American way.





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SOS Gents

[cstone]

I hope she gets a good enough lawyer to sue the living shit out of them, and win. There's no reason or justification for that BS in the USA. Happens far too often. And they wonder why they're called Jackbooted Thugs.

Denver attorney David Lane = good enough for Ward Churchill
This case will be decided in a court room, where it should be. Better there than in a shooting match against well armed agents of the government.

This part is not intended for anyone in particular, only those who seem inclined to make absurd comparisons:
As for society having failed or this being a police state, I must question your lack of historical perspective. As a general rule, whenever I start hearing comparisons to the Gestapo or Nazis, the word "hyperbole" comes to mind. The Gestapo and the Nazi party murdered millions of human beings with no other justification besides the need to eliminate what they felt were racially inferior human beings. As bad as this administration may be, they are not even close to being the types of monsters who committed the crimes against humanity during WWII.

Be safe.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I feel this thread turning in the direction of the other one... And I'm driving the bus...

[DavieD55]

first off JMaier, you are a damn poser. go get POST certified, so you can actually be a cop. you dont know shit. you are a dumb kid with a chip on his shoulder, you should never be a cop, you will just be part of the problem.

I was POST certified.

Wake up America, cops are not a protected class of citizens. They are just citizens. We bash politicians, mechanics, CEOs. Criticizing cops is no different. We need to keep an eye on every thing that a cop does. Why??? because they are paid to serve US. Protect US. we must keep them in line, just as we need to keep politicians in line. They work for us... We dont bow to them. They are not anymore important or special than any other citizen. They dont deserve any more respect, than you would give your mechanic. They are people too. They do a job, that needs to be done, just like the mechanic, farmer, teacher, or septic pumper. They know the rules, pay and hours going into the job. They must abide by the rules. And if they dont we need to point it out, that way we keep them on the straight and narrow. I have many friends and family members who are cops. Most cops are just trying to do a job. Sometimes they screw up. Their job is no where near as stressful as A pilot with hundreds of passengers. who is subject to much more stress than a cop on any given day. Yet we are allowed to criticize and poke fun of them when they screw up. Cops are no different.

As AMERICANS we owe it to all other Americans to keep Law Enforcement honest. be that, local, state or federal.

Power corrupts. Thats why we must keep people in a position of power in check, at all times.

Exactly! +1 All the way. Some people are blinded by their own Arrogance.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Zundfolge]

I feel this thread turning in the direction of the other one... And I'm driving the bus...

And I'm not yet convinced you're not drunk

[JM Ver. 2.0]

And I'm not yet convinced you're not drunk

Wasted.... Chocolate Wasted!!!!! That's the only part about that movie I remember... I don't even remember the movie, just that that line came from one.

If there's one thing I've learned in the months I've been here... No such thing as a civil "cop fucked up" thread... Might as well derail it sooner than later.