Interesting Viewpoint on F&F

[waxthis]

So whats the big deal then in turning all 80,000 pages of the documents for Congress to review? In addition, why the hell would Bami pull his Ace card out to save Holder and co? I mean hell, its all laid out now.

[Ronin13]

I couldn't finish that article... getting dizzy from all the fumes of BS on there... Issa is right- Terry's blood is all over the ATF and Holder's hands. They should be locked up for what they did, no ifs, no butts, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail, or the gallows for Holder and Obama for treason.

[palepainter]

Fixed it fer ya!

HAHAHAHA. Thanks!!!

[roberth]

Lemme see, what are the facts.

2 Federal LE murdered - check
Countless foreign nationals murdered in their own country- check
Covert action without Mexico's knowledge - check
Whitewash by the US Fed goobermint - check
Protection of the guilty by The Messiah - check

The ends (removal of the 2nd amendment) justify the means (mass murder and lies by commission/lies by omission) - check

Good work when you're a leftist who does not give a fuck about (1) human life, (2) responsibility for one's own actions, and (3) keeping the public informed with the truth.

[Rucker61]

Lemme see, what are the facts.

2 Federal LE murdered - check
Countless foreign nationals murdered in their own country- check
Covert action without Mexico's knowledge - check
Whitewash by the US Fed goobermint - check
Protection of the guilty by The Messiah - check

The ends (removal of the 2nd amendment) justify the means (mass murder and lies by commission/lies by omission) - check

Good work when you're a leftist who does not give a fuck about (1) human life, (2) responsibility for one's own actions, and (3) keeping the public informed with the truth.

So there's no guilt in the US firearm sellers and straw purchasers? I'm not interested in protecting a coverup, like anyone here, but I have to wonder where the outrage was in 2006-2007 for a similar operation called Operation Wild Receiver that also allowed guns to walk into Mexico, with no arrests.

[Ronin13]

So there's no guilt in the US firearm sellers and straw purchasers? I'm not interested in protecting a coverup, like anyone here, but I have to wonder where the outrage was in 2006-2007 for a similar operation called Operation Wild Receiver that also allowed guns to walk into Mexico, with no arrests.

Not when the US FFLs were told to allow it to happen by ATF agents...

[Sharpienads]

So there's no guilt in the US firearm sellers and straw purchasers? I'm not interested in protecting a coverup, like anyone here, but I have to wonder where the outrage was in 2006-2007 for a similar operation called Operation Wild Receiver that also allowed guns to walk into Mexico, with no arrests.

Not when the US FFLs were told to allow it to happen by ATF agents...

This.

And from what I understand, during Op Wide Receiver, the guns were actually tracked (or attempted to be tracked) instead of just letting them "walk", Mexican authorities were in on the operation, no deaths have been traced to the operation, and once it was discovered that "hey, this isn't really working, maybe we shouldn't do this" the operation was shut down in 2007.

I'm not making any excuses for Wide Receiver or those involved, I'm just sayin'.

[Rucker61]

Not when the US FFLs were told to allow it to happen by ATF agents...

Got a cite on this? I haven't seen it in my admittedly limited research. Were they not selling suspiciously large amount of weapons to apparent straw purchasers before? They were at least as far back as 2006 per the aforementioned ATF operation.

What exactly is the issue here? I know that folks here hate the current administration, and any activity by POTUS and the entire Executive branch is akin to treason, but explain it to me dispassionately.

As I understand the process, FFLs in Arizona (and other places, but Arizona seems to be Ground Zero) legally sell many firearms to young gun purchasers. Said legal gun purchasers are actually straw purchasers for other buyers, who for various reasons don't/can't make these purchases. These straw purchases are the first illegal act in the chain of activity. The secondary purchasers (or the next ones in the chain) then import the weapons illegally into Mexico for sale to folks we (and the Mexican government/locals) would rather not have armed.

Some of these weapons don't get imported into Mexico, but remain in the US. One of these weapons was used to kill a US LEO, which everyone considers to be a bad thing.

What is the cover up? That the administration knew about the operation? That the ATF allowed guns to flow past the straw buyers into Mexico? That they deny knowing about a covert operation?

[XC700116]

So there's no guilt in the US firearm sellers and straw purchasers? I'm not interested in protecting a coverup, like anyone here, but I have to wonder where the outrage was in 2006-2007 for a similar operation called Operation Wild Receiver that also allowed guns to walk into Mexico, with no arrests.

BATFE told the firearms sellers to complete the sales. When you're an FFL holder and the BATFE tells you to complete the sale, you do it. Your FFL is your livelihood.

The straw purchasers should have been prosecuted, I blame them in part but when the BATFE is the middle man, I blame them more since they didn't bother to prosecute them.

ALL of my distain for this situation is directed at the BATFE and the dillhole in charge, one Eric Holder, for 1 authorizing this, perpetuating it, then not bothering to arrest and charge the straw purchasers involved. Then he when it blew up in his face he's shoveling like a madman to cover it up.

Then take into consideration they are doing it in order to use it to further restrict LEGAL gun owners' 2nd amendment rights, it royally pisses me off. It's bad enough that they use the criminals to try and restrict our rights but when they perpetuate something like this in order to trump up support for it, it's gone way too far. And anyone that is saying they weren't doing it for that end result is fawking kidding themselves and/or delusional.

[roberth]

So there's no guilt in the US firearm sellers and straw purchasers? I'm not interested in protecting a coverup, like anyone here, but I have to wonder where the outrage was in 2006-2007 for a similar operation called Operation Wild Receiver that also allowed guns to walk into Mexico, with no arrests.

You just lost this one when the first thing you go to is blaming Bush. You refused to discuss the FACTS of a topic that YOU opened. You cannot even speak to these facts that we have brought forth.

Go troll elsewhere.