Police Education

[Ed_S]

There is a reason why cheat sheets are banned in my industry – they’re notoriously hard to control! Try explaining a cheat sheet to an FDA inspector! I probably spend an hour per week training on new regulations and yes I’m expected to know and follow them.
As for should a cop know all the laws, no I don’t expect, that but I would expect them to know the basic ones? I think open carry in CO would be a basic one?

[Whistler]

They should be expected to know every law they enforce - that is their job. I know all the regs for my job and yes they change continuously. The problem with "take it to court" is the cost, the time and the hassle. Just being right after spending thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours is like pissing yourself in dark pants - you get a warm feeling but nobody notices. Law Enforcement receives special consideration and consequently should be held to a higher standard IMO.

[10mm-man]

They should be expected to know every law they enforce - that is their job. I know all the regs for my job and yes they change continuously. The problem with "take it to court" is the cost, the time and the hassle. Just being right after spending thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours is like pissing yourself in dark pants - you get a warm feeling but nobody notices. Law Enforcement receives special consideration and consequently should be held to a higher standard IMO.

You know now that i think about yes, they should know! I recently sat down for two hours covering basic laws w/ and ATF agent, we just touched the tip of the Ice berg. I don't abide by the laws, rules and regs, i get in trouble. I am required to know my industry laws so therefore so should the Po po..

[XC700116]

The way I look at it, every one of us as citizens are expected and required to comply with a multitude of federal, state, and local laws. As the officer in the video says, ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you or I ignorantly disobey a law and are caught doing so we pay a penalty ranging anywhere from a warning, to a fine, to imprisonment and loss of our civil rights. Yet an officer enforcing these laws is somehow subject to being held to less of a standard than a private citizen in these cases.

I just simply can't understand everyone that is so quick to say that these officers shouldn't be held accountable, and CSPD shouldn't be forced to compensate this person for his losses in time, money, and reputation over it. THEY (LE) are the ones put in place to enforce the laws. If THEY don't understand the law, they shouldn't be arresting or charging anyone with it.

Then of course there is the bigger issue of the fact there are just too many stupid laws on the books for any normal person to actually know and understand. Hence the root of the problem to begin with.

[Bailey Guns]

I just simply can't understand everyone that is so quick to say that these officers shouldn't be held accountable, and CSPD shouldn't be forced to compensate this person for his losses in time, money, and reputation over it.

Who is everyone that was so quick to say the officers shouldn't be held accountable?

[Byte Stryke]

OK. You win. You obviously get punished more than anyone else ever will for making a mistake at work. Congratulations.

that's not what I said
but not going to let you suck me into the anti-cop thing...

keep paying them higher taxes though... because insurance is going up!
Start another thread complaining about how high taxes are

[BushMasterBoy]

I posted this article originally so that EVERYBODY that reads it can cite the law if in a similiar situation. These excerpts are pasted from Lexis/Nexis which claims to be the official publisher of Colorado Law. Why the state can not publish it own laws baffles me! These following laws concern local governments and what they can and cannot do;



Colorado Revised Staute 29-11.7-101. Legislative declaration

(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:

(a) Section 3 of article II of the state constitution, the article referred to as the state bill of rights, declares that all persons have certain inalienable rights, which include the right to defend their lives and liberties;

(b) Section 13 of article II of the state constitution protects the fundamental right of a person to keep and bear arms and implements section 3 of article II of the state constitution;

(c) The general assembly recognizes a duty to protect and defend the fundamental civil rights set forth in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this subsection (1);

(d) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to firearms regulations;

(e) This inconsistency among local government laws regulating lawful firearm possession and ownership has extraterritorial impact on state citizens and the general public by subjecting them to criminal and civil penalties in some jurisdictions for conduct wholly lawful in other jurisdictions;

(f) Inconsistency among local governments of laws regulating the possession and ownership of firearms results in persons being treated differently under the law solely on the basis of where they reside, and a person's residence in a particular county or city or city and county is not a rational classification when it is the basis for denial of equal treatment under the law;

(g) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating the local laws and therefore being unable to avoid violating the law and becoming subject to criminal and other penalties.

(2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that:

(a) The regulation of firearms is a matter of statewide concern;

(b) It is necessary to provide statewide laws concerning the possession and ownership of a firearm to ensure that law-abiding persons are not unfairly placed in the position of unknowingly committing crimes involving firearms.


Colorado Revised Statute29-11.7-102. Firearms database - prohibited


(1) A local government, including a law enforcement agency, shall not maintain a list or other form of record or database of:

(a) Persons who purchase or exchange firearms or who leave firearms for repair or sale on consignment;

(b) Persons who transfer firearms, unless the persons are federally licensed firearms dealers;

(c) The descriptions, including serial numbers, of firearms purchased, transferred, exchanged, or left for repair or sale on consignment



Colorado Revised Statutes 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm - prohibited

A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.


Colorado Revised Statute 29-11.7-104. Regulation - carrying - posting

A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government's jurisdiction. If a local government enacts an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area, the local government shall post signs at the public entrances to the building or specific area informing persons that the open carrying of firearms is prohibited in the building or specific area.

[10mm-man]

I posted this article originally so that EVERYBODY that reads it can cite the law if in a similiar situation. These excerpts are pasted from Lexis/Nexis which claims to be the official publisher of Colorado Law. Why the state can not publish it own laws baffles me! These following laws concern local governments and what they can and cannot do;



Colorado Revised Staute 29-11.7-101. Legislative declaration

(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:

(a) Section 3 of article II of the state constitution, the article referred to as the state bill of rights, declares that all persons have certain inalienable rights, which include the right to defend their lives and liberties;

(b) Section 13 of article II of the state constitution protects the fundamental right of a person to keep and bear arms and implements section 3 of article II of the state constitution;

(c) The general assembly recognizes a duty to protect and defend the fundamental civil rights set forth in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this subsection (1);

(d) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to firearms regulations;

(e) This inconsistency among local government laws regulating lawful firearm possession and ownership has extraterritorial impact on state citizens and the general public by subjecting them to criminal and civil penalties in some jurisdictions for conduct wholly lawful in other jurisdictions;

(f) Inconsistency among local governments of laws regulating the possession and ownership of firearms results in persons being treated differently under the law solely on the basis of where they reside, and a person's residence in a particular county or city or city and county is not a rational classification when it is the basis for denial of equal treatment under the law;

(g) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating the local laws and therefore being unable to avoid violating the law and becoming subject to criminal and other penalties.

(2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that:

(a) The regulation of firearms is a matter of statewide concern;

(b) It is necessary to provide statewide laws concerning the possession and ownership of a firearm to ensure that law-abiding persons are not unfairly placed in the position of unknowingly committing crimes involving firearms.


Colorado Revised Statute29-11.7-102. Firearms database - prohibited


(1) A local government, including a law enforcement agency, shall not maintain a list or other form of record or database of:

(a) Persons who purchase or exchange firearms or who leave firearms for repair or sale on consignment;

(b) Persons who transfer firearms, unless the persons are federally licensed firearms dealers;

(c) The descriptions, including serial numbers, of firearms purchased, transferred, exchanged, or left for repair or sale on consignment



Colorado Revised Statutes 29-11.7-103. Regulation - type of firearm - prohibited

A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.


Colorado Revised Statute 29-11.7-104. Regulation - carrying - posting

A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government's jurisdiction. If a local government enacts an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area, the local government shall post signs at the public entrances to the building or specific area informing persons that the open carrying of firearms is prohibited in the building or specific area.

In regards to the last part I thought posting of sings in parks was illegal as well. I remember reading (maybe here) about someone calling local jurisdictions complaining about there no guns policy was against state law. OC in this case....... And didn't a city in the mountains have to pay in a civil case for their rights being violated by two cops who hit the guy and tackled him for OC in a park??
Local jurisdiction was apologizing and removing said sign from parks. Maybe that's why the cheat sheet was out of date??? At one time it was legal but now it is not?

[cstone]

This story is about Mapes and the Thornton movie theater arrest. Since the story mentions that one of the issues Mapes' attorney will be filing for is to overturn the parks and buildings gun ban, I thought it fit with this thread.

Does anyone in the north metro area know Mapes? He lives in Northglenn, owns a gun, so I would imagine he would eventually find his way to BPTactical

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21...eater-gun-case

"Robert B. Wareham of the Law Center in Highlands Ranch said the case "is bigger than Mr. Mapes" and that he will likely file a case in federal court arguing a violation of civil rights, and another in state court to challenge Thornton's existing ordinance banning guns from city parks, public buildings and posted areas, which he characterized as overly broad."

[lead_magnet]

These cops made one of the biggets ut-ohs you can make as a cop. You NEVER arrest (or write a ticket) unless you are absolutley positive you are correct in your findings.