Romney becomes an Anti Gun rights advocate

[FastMan]

Thanks, Ronin. One of the things I'm enjoying so much about this site, and finding so encouraging, is that so many within the membership have their heads on straight about the plight of our country, and what needs to be done to fix it.

This election could be our last chance. If Obama wins again, our next opportunity may just well be after the collapse, once the lefties have actually felt the severe pain resulting from their choices, and are finally ready to rediscover the magnificence of what we were, the brilliance of our forefathers, and what actually made us great.

I hope we don't have to take that course, but I'm not confident we won't. If we do, it won't be the fault of the folks here. Do what you can, everyone, to spread the word of the importance of Nov 6th. We're Americans, we don't go down without a fight.

[tmckay2]

It's funny that you think the economy is going to get much better.

The jobs are gone. They've all gone overseas. No such thing as careers anymore. You can either join a labor union or you can get an entry level service/sales position.

Or you can get educated for the low low cost of 100k

[xring]

It's funny that you think the economy is going to get much better.

The jobs are gone. They've all gone overseas. No such thing as careers anymore. You can either join a labor union or you can get an entry level service/sales position.

Got that f***** right!
I worked in manufacturing for 25 years.
Im not sure the public understands how much manufacturing has left and how much technology has left with it.
As soon as it hits Chinas "free economic zone" the technology is copied,but thats not important. Whats important is that the "business model is achieved". Stock goes up, big bonus for CEO YAY!

[FastMan]

Got that f***** right!
I worked in manufacturing for 25 years.
Im not sure the public understands how much manufacturing has left and how much technology has left with it.
As soon as it hits Chinas "free economic zone" the technology is copied,but thats not important. Whats important is that the "business model is achieved". Stock goes up, big bonus for CEO YAY!

Too, what a lot of people don't understand is WHY so many jobs are flying abroad. It's a world market. Our government makes operating here so expensive our businesses can't produce product and compete on that world stage. They're forced to move off shore. Hammering them with even more taxes and regulations is not the answer. That just makes the situation worse.

That's why all this Obama class warfare is so damaging. It promotes the mentality that demonizes business, which makes it even more difficult for people to fix the problem. People end up wanting to attack and punish business and corporations, which will come back to bite them even more.

[xring]

Originally Posted by Ridge
It's funny that you think the economy is going to get much better.

The jobs are gone. They've all gone overseas. No such thing as careers anymore. You can either join a labor union or you can get an entry level service/sales position.
Or you can get educated for the low low cost of 100k

You guys are such worry warts! Everyone will just work for goverment subsidized businesses. Maybe theyll extend unemployment to 10years. There are solutions!

[xring]

Too, what a lot of people don't understand is WHY so many jobs are flying abroad. It's a world market. Our government makes operating here so expensive our businesses can't produce product and compete on that world stage. They're forced to move off shore. Hammering them with even more taxes and regulations is not the answer. That just makes the situation worse.

That's why all this Obama class warfare is so damaging. It promotes the mentality that demonizes business, which makes it even more difficult for people to fix the problem. People end up wanting to attack and punish business and corporations, which will come back to bite them even more.

I respectfully disagree. Yes all the factors you mention are a issue but many business that were very lucrative operating in the USA have been moved overseas only to have the product quality go to shit. The product is then mercessly pirated by competitors. The company is ruined , complete value destruction but the CEO got his bonus because the cost of manufacture went down on paper and the business model was met. In many cases the CEOs know nothing about the business, could care less about the company, they are only in for 3-4 years before they move on to the next "success". The CEO could care less about the true value the company provides. In many cases he doesnt understand the business enough to increase the value even if he wanted to. What the CEO does understand is that if he outsources jobs the stock goes up, he gets his bonus, his career is augmented by the success, and he will move on to the next company at a higher rate of compensation.

[Rucker61]

Too, what a lot of people don't understand is WHY so many jobs are flying abroad. It's a world market. Our government makes operating here so expensive our businesses can't produce product and compete on that world stage. They're forced to move off shore. Hammering them with even more taxes and regulations is not the answer. That just makes the situation worse.

The cost to produce the products is so much lower in China that American companies can't afford to pay American salaries. They were forced to move production to low cost regions to compete in the world market you refer to. Regulations were not the driving force; cost of labor and components compared to what the competition had with Asian labor, combined with a near absolute demand by the America buying public for the cheapest goods drove manufacturing overseas.

[FastMan]

The cost to produce the products is so much lower in China that American companies can't afford to pay American salaries. They were forced to move production to low cost regions to compete in the world market you refer to. Regulations were not the driving force; cost of labor and components compared to what the competition had with Asian labor, combined with a near absolute demand by the America buying public for the cheapest goods drove manufacturing overseas.

Very true, Rucker. What you and I said are both contributing factors to why our jobs are disappearing. We have no control over what foreign economies pay their workers. We do, however, have control over the tax burden we impose on companies who try to operate here. We have one of the highest corporate tax rate and regulatory environments in the world. It's stupidity.

No, I take that back, it's not stupidity, it's "fairness". Fairness to the detriment of the very people that fairness is suppose to help. Nah, guess I was right in the first place; STUPIDITY.

[BPTactical]

News flash- life is not fair.
Therefore the concept of "fairness" is a moot point.
The problem with the liberal left: they want everybody equal and everything fair.

Its a pipedream steeped in idealistic goals and disconnected from reality.

[xring]

The cost to produce the products is so much lower in China that American companies can't afford to pay American salaries. They were forced to move production to low cost regions to compete in the world market you refer to. Regulations were not the driving force; cost of labor and components compared to what the competition had with Asian labor, combined with a near absolute demand by the America buying public for the cheapest goods drove manufacturing overseas.

Salaries are a definate factor. I guestimate it to be about 12-1 for somewhat equivalant employee. $5 a hour buys quite a nice lifestyle in china even in a "free economic zone"

Lets get to the nitty gritty. China doesnt float its currency( allow its currency to betraded on the free market). The ability to control this exchange rate arbitrarily enables them to determine the price of things including employee compensation not free markets. Thats like a cage fight where you put one guy in shackles and give the other guy a sledge hammer. Who would agree to such a contest? Well Clinton was the first. I suppose a argument for Nixon being the first would have some validity. All subsequent presidents have apparantly liked the odds as well after all lots of $ being made and contibuted to campaigns. If we competed with China in a free market we would clean their clocks, today, still, even after giving them the technology that has taken them from the stone age to a modern society including the pivotal technology of the century the semi conductor microprocessor. These two factors are the great distortion in the "its a small world lets compete globally" argument. The argument is correct but no one mentions the two distortions that destroy the jobs and value of this country. One, we are competing globally, fine, lets compete, just float your currency china! Oh so sorry. Two, every technological breakthrough discovered in the USA via good old yankee innovation we give to china via outsourcing. How nice of us, we get our cage fight opponent in an arm bar only to let them go. This is not free market competition by any definition. Well Im sure China gives us all their technological innovations. Oh so sorry. We give them technology that is the fruit of our society . USA education, USA innovation. Then we allow a economic distortion contrary to free markets of vast proportion that allows them to harness and cultivate the technology but does not allow us to do the same. Wages are cheaper in china. Are they? We really dont know until they float their currency do we? I have nothing against china as a nation or the chinese as individuals. Who is keeping us in shackles for the cage fight is what I want to know.