CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins....

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think you and your family can continue to be happy without getting a marble encrusted biggest house currently being built in the nation.

I agree, but it's my money to decide whether I want to have the biggest marble encrusted house in the nation or to risk it on a business. Welcome to the free world.

Be honest, would you sacrifice your gun collection, pull your kids off a good university, sell your car, or open your home to a family member who is in need until he/she can pay you back plus interest. She/He promises you much return in interest, even promises to pay for your kids graduate school in the future as long as you can use their college fund on her/him today. Would you trust your own family member to risk your style of living and livelihood?

Most Americans won't even take the risk of helping their own siblings/family members.

[Teufelhund]

I agree, but it's my money to decide whether I want to have the biggest marble encrusted house in the nation or to risk it on a business. Welcome to the free world.

Be honest, would you sacrifice your gun collection, pull your kids off a good university, sell your car, or open your home to a family member who is in need until he/she can pay you back plus interest. She/He promises you much return in interest, even promises to pay for your kids graduate school in the future as long as you can use their college fund on her/him today. Would you trust your own family member to risk your style of living and livelihood?

Most Americans won't even take the risk of helping their own siblings/family members.

I have when I was able, taken in and helped out my family and friends, and I've never expected a thing in return. You may be right that most Americans would not. Such is the sad state of things.

[dwalker460]

I have when I am able, without having to sacrifice anything, taken in and helped out my family and friends, and I've never expected a thing in return. You may be right that most Americans would not. Such is the sad state of things.

BUT if you had to sell all your guns, sell your car and take the bus to work, sell your investment property that was your retirement plan, take out loans against your house that put you steeply at risk and meant that your kids college funds dried up, and have a negative balance on your bank account every month if you paid your bills on time, would you do that?

I have had a business fail, and I did everything to save it while making sure my employees got paid. I sold all but one of my guns, I sold everything I had that was not absolutely necessary to survive, went deep into debt, and the business still failed, but the employees never missed a check. They made money while I was suffering, and they were pissed at me when I had to close the doors.

Until you have some skin in the game, dont bitch about the people who do.

[ChunkyMonkey]

That was some ninja editing, teufelfund!

[Teufelhund]

BUT if you had to sell all your guns, sell your car and take the bus to work, sell your investment property that was your retirement plan, take out loans against your house that put you steeply at risk and meant that your kids college funds dried up, and have a negative balance on your bank account every month if you paid your bills on time, would you do that?

I have had a business fail, and I did everything to save it while making sure my employees got paid. I sold all but one of my guns, I sold everything I had that was not absolutely necessary to survive, went deep into debt, and the business still failed, but the employees never missed a check. They made money while I was suffering, and they were pissed at me when I had to close the doors.

Until you have some skin in the game, dont bitch about the people who do.

I removed that part from my post before you replied because I thought about it and realized I did have to cut back my lifestyle to help others.

We're not talking about the small business owner who is scraping to make ends meet. We're talking about a millionaire who, by his own admission, already has enough money to last the rest of his life, and is going to lay people off rather than make a reduction in his luxurious lifestyle, regardless of the fact his company is in the black.

Your sacrifice speaks highly of your character, though I never said one should let the business fail before making cuts.

[Teufelhund]

Leif, will you change my handle since no one can spell or pronounce it?

[Whistler]

I agree, but it's my money to decide whether I want to have the biggest marble encrusted house in the nation or to risk it on a business. Welcome to the free world.

Be honest, would you sacrifice your gun collection, pull your kids off a good university, sell your car, or open your home to a family member who is in need until he/she can pay you back plus interest. She/He promises you much return in interest, even promises to pay for your kids graduate school in the future as long as you can use their college fund on her/him today. Would you trust your own family member to risk your style of living and livelihood?

Most Americans won't even take the risk of helping their own siblings/family members.

I think I see why you two disagree, not everything should be construed as a profit opportunity.

I also lost a business and sacrificed much in a vain attempt to keep it going but my employees didn't make that decision regardless of how altruistic my thought process, I did.

[dwalker460]

There is no difference between a small business and a large one. Large business fail just like small ones. The bigger the business, the higher the overhead and the more each tiny thing matters. Sure, 2% increase doesnt sound like much, until you apply that over 2000 employees making an average of 65K a year, then it fucking hurts. Add in the additional costs of having to hire someone in to implement and manage the application and enforcement of the program, the attorney fees paid to review each and every item pertaining to it and soon your profitable business is running at a loss.

So WHAT if he has done well and does not want to risk losing what he has?? Do you not understand how money works? Having it is good. Keeping it is hard. Giving it away to the government because of some dumbass program is bad, mmmkay?? Adding ANY cost to doing business DOES NOTHING but make the decision to close doors easier. It does not create jobs, it does not add taxes (hard to tax a business thats closed) and just adds a drain on the economy because even if these people live off thier savings they will no longer buy higher end goods, which hurts other businesses. Its called the economy, and its not that hard to understand.

[yankeefan98121]

Agreed ^^

[sniper7]

Leif, will you change my handle since no one can spell or pronounce it?

I always want to pronounce it tele-fun-hound

what's it mean and how do you pronounce?