Met a business owner in manufacturing yesterday

[Jer]

I think the first thing that has to happen is for business to become comfortable doing business. Right now business is running scared, they are scared about unforseen costs in obamacare, over-regulation, onerous taxation, and being punished for success. When businesses are scared they stop hiring and they start cutting costs and employees.

Another reason is when we start cutting government spending those people need jobs in the private sector and the private sector has to be ready to hire them. That will only happen if business is comfortable.

I think the current state of the economy and it's downward trend raises a lot more of a question.

[roberth]

I think the current state of the economy and it's downward trend raises a lot more of a question.

Private enterprise has the best chance to fix the economy. The damn government is only going to make it worse.

[Jer]

Private enterprise has the best chance to fix the economy. The damn government is only going to make it worse.

I agree. The government can't fix shit.

[sniper7]

Of Romney does win he won't do a damn thing about entitlements. He talks a tough game about it but when his advisers get in his ear about how many voters that 47% is he will change his tune quickly. Face it, this path we're headed down is a one-way path and neither the D's or the R's give half a shit about getting off of the trail. The path to their own personal prosperity is SO much easier than actually trying to serve the people. When you get right down to it look at who the major contributors to the candidate's campaign fund are and you will see who will be running the country for the next 4yrs. It's that simple.

He may or may not. But I know there is a better chance of him doing something than Obama.

The margins are definitely out there...i just ran into 4 of them tonight, but that is another thread...fucking mind boggling in my mind, but in their world it all makes sense to get obama in.
There are times I think the D's and R's work together, laugh about it all in luxury suites, air force one, dinners after fundraisers/debates/elections etc. a lot like a south park episode.
The problem is, as a collective whole, we voted ourselves into this. The best way is to start at a small/local level, as a collective whole and take back the system. Voting for Romney will hopefully reverse some of the socialist programs/issues that Obama has put into motion. Nothing is for certain, but i know Romney is a better that to choose than Obama and those are the only 2 viable candidates out there.

[Skullworks]

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Originally Posted by roberth
I think the first thing that has to happen is for business to become comfortable doing business. Right now business is running scared, they are scared about unforseen costs in obamacare, over-regulation, onerous taxation, and being punished for success. When businesses are scared they stop hiring and they start cutting costs and employees.

Another reason is when we start cutting government spending those people need jobs in the private sector and the private sector has to be ready to hire them. That will only happen if business is comfortable.

I think the current state of the economy and it's downward trend raises a lot more of a question.

Its both.

In 2008 soon after Obummer was elected the company I was working for decided to move up there plans to move the manufacturing part of the company to Mexico and I got RIF'd in Dec 2008, Fear of what was coming with a anti-business democrat about to take over the Whitehouse.

Now its worse - Business knows the timeline for Obummer care - People will be laid off to reduce the workforce of benefit entitled employees. Many now are being force onto part time schedules so the company is not required to offer bennies.

This has happened to me now, and I know many of Apple Computer employees are only offered part time to start.

Also - everyone knows that the tax rates will revert to pre BUSH rates on JAN 1st and there will be several new taxes that also begin. Come Jan 15th when those first paychecks - or maybe direct deposit pay stubs are seen in bright daylight by the average joe there will be screams...

This is a done deal - election results are irrelevant since it will take the new Congress to get up to speed before any relief action can be considered. ObamaCare was based on the HOPE that the Economy would be back up to full speed by now so such tax burdens would not hurt so much.

[Bailey Guns]

If you're talking about Paul 'the economic genius with a bachelor's degree in political science and economics' Ryan's plan it's smoke and mirrors and even given that much leeway it still makes NO fiscal sense. This is their best plan? There's a reason they don't ever want to get into specifics on it when pressed on the topic. We're fucked.

I find it interesting you believe the democrat talking points about Ryan not having a specific plan. But you'll discount the fact he's had a plan for two years now with all the specifics in black and white.

Whether or not it makes fiscal sense is up for debate. At least he's put forth a starting point for solving the fiscal problems we face. No one else has done that.

[Uberjager]

bahahahahahahahahahahahaha


You went to government school didn't you????????

Get back to me after you've lost loved ones from berylliosis.

[BushMasterBoy]

Get back to me after you've lost loved ones from berylliosis.

I got some beryllium up my nose from United States Air Force radar jammers. It ate a hole in my cheek bone. If I had known I would have wore a mask every time I maintained these systems. Where the hell was OSHA, MSDS and Air Force safety officers? I was just a two striper at the time. 9 out of 10 doctors ask me "how do you spell beryllium?" Damn manufacturers did not warn me in the Technical Orders or T.O. as they were called. Prognosis is cancer eventually, can you imagine having a cancer of your head? Like I need another hole in head...

Yeah we need regulation! And Jimmy Carter belongs in SuperMax!

[Jer]

He may or may not. But I know there is a better chance of him doing something than Obama.

A better chance at doing something is not necessarily a good thing when he wants to create an amendment making abortion illegal. Now, whether I believe in it or not is irrelevant but I know what kind of a shit story creating amendments to TAKE AWAY rights creates. I know how much more opposition Barack would face should he actually attempt to move on his luke warm desire to take our firearms. I don't believe in stripping rights via amendments regardless of the cause so we'll leave the bulk of this response for another thread as we're going to get (even more) off topic otherwise. For now we'll just say that what he wants to do is repeal Omabacare and replace it with something that for the most part is the same damn thing. As long as big medical is in the pockets of both candidates the end result will be the same... the will just disguise it in different ways to please their bases. In the end, we the peasants get screwed.

I find it interesting you believe the democrat talking points about Ryan not having a specific plan. But you'll discount the fact he's had a plan for two years now with all the specifics in black and white.

Whether or not it makes fiscal sense is up for debate. At least he's put forth a starting point for solving the fiscal problems we face. No one else has done that.

Are you talking about the 22yr plan? It's not that I don't believe is has a plan I just refuse to agree that's it's useful enough to be labeled a 'plan'.

[Bailey Guns]

Mostly a 10 year plan with some longer range spending/saving forecasts. But no one else...no one...has anything close.

We gotta start somewhere.