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    Default Ron Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.man View Post
    Ron Paul....
    Is he getting the Rep Nomination? Check out Bob Barr same platform.

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    A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama. Have you seen Obama's voting record on gun control issues? He has repeatedly voted to establish more strict controls on gun ownership and is against individuals owning guns at all.
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    A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama. Have you seen Obama's voting record on gun control issues? He has repeatedly voted to establish more strict controls on gun ownership and is against individuals owning guns at all.

    Per the NRA:


    On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!

    Friday, June 06, 2008

    The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

    But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

    FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports requiring law-abiding gun owners to register their firearms.

    FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

    FACT: Barack Obama wants to eliminate your Right to Carry.

    FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

    FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

    FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

    FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports “one-gun-a-month” sales restrictions.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.
    Rich

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    Default I'm outta here one way to Belize please

    Americans I guess want business as usual. Juan is for cap and trade. Global warming ect. You have more than 2A. You won't be able to afford guns if either get in. The economy is tanking both will double tap it in the head.
    If you vote for Juan you let the Republicans know it's okay to be leftist.

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    "I'm outta here one way to Belize please"

    Congrats! You've just joined a large disgruntled group of people who say they are leaving but don't have the balls to actually go.

    See you tomorrow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssf467 View Post
    Americans I guess want business as usual. Juan is for cap and trade. Global warming ect. You have more than 2A. You won't be able to afford guns if either get in. The economy is tanking both will double tap it in the head.
    If you vote for Juan you let the Republicans know it's okay to be leftist.
    Do you honestly believe that by voting other than democrap or republican you'll have an impact and not just waste your vote?
    Rich

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    Default I'm glad you know me Atrain

    Quote Originally Posted by Atrain View Post
    "I'm outta here one way to Belize please"

    Congrats! You've just joined a large disgruntled group of people who say they are leaving but don't have the balls to actually go.

    See you tomorrow...
    We have a 5 year plan to leave. Enjoy the train wreck which is America
    As far as wasting a vote I think we all have and started this train down the wrong track.
    And to whom ever tries to say I'm not a Patriot, go screw you and the horse you road in on. I am a disabled combat veteran. I served proudly and love this country, but my fears have come true. Marxism via Global warming is killing this Country and short of violence, it's just waiting for the fat lady(gravitational challenged female) to sing.
    Montana is still an option, I'll wait to see what the Super Court says on the DC gun case.

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    5 year plan to Belize huh, I hear the beaches are nice. Is this true?

    What are the basic laws on gun ownership in Belize? How are weapons classified(shotgun, rifle, handgun)? Is ammunition registered?

    Belizean laws are very restrictive and even harder to imoprt your own weapons. Certain calibers are totally illegal. There are a couple of shooting ranges in the country. The cost is $500 per permit per weapon. A single shot 20 gauge sells for over 500 BZE. 9 mil only allowed pistol caliber. 16 and 20 gauge shotgun and forget rifles altogether.
    You have two kinds of licenses. Personal protection and farm use (mostly shotguns.) Anything bigger than a 9mm is classified as prohibited except shotguns of course, unless they are sawed off then they are definitely prohibited. Ammunition is not licensed but to buy ammunition one must produce a license. Personal firearm license is $75 per annum while farm license is $5 per annum. Recently they began offering licenses for up to three years. Before, one had to license every year on your birthday.
    It is illegal to take firearms or ammunition into or out of Belize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard K View Post
    Do you honestly believe that by voting other than democrap or republican you'll have an impact and not just waste your vote?

    Is it more of a waste to vote for McCain, knowing the media has served up the country to Obama and McCain will never win, or to vote for who you want? I would rather see a viable 3rd party that vote for either of the open border Communists that are running. A vote for McCain is a wasted vote the same as a vote for Obama is a wasted vote. They are both hell bent on destroying the country I love and served.
    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt

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    Quote Originally Posted by westy1970 View Post
    Yeah, after giving it a lot of thought, I decided to vote my conscience(sp?). I have always voted the lesser of 2 evils until the Governors race 2 years ago and voted for who I thought would do the best job. I know by voting for Barr I may be handing the race to Obama, but it will put us in a better position 4 years down the road when he has screwed us even worse than Bush did.
    People that thought this way in 1992 ended up sticking us with Billy Boy for EIGHT YEARS. If Obama wins, all of his failures will be blamed on Bush even if that blame requires serious distortions of reality. Don't bother buying your weapons and ammo in November, Obama will make his ban and mandatory registration retroactive.

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