Contemplating a MAJOR LIFE CHANGE

[ruthabagah]

Just my 10 cents: I used to work in Boise 1 week every 5 weeks from 2005 - 2007 and the locals were complaining about the "Californication" of their state..... Lots of land where purchased by californians, who will then complain about hunters and shooting range nearby.... Typical.

[twitchyfinger]

I envy you if you do it Carl! I almost did it myself but chose to stay closer to family and stayed in state which I might end up regretting. There is a bunch of info in the survival section here but I do remember I site that had these stats posted.

Idaho

Population: 1.3 million (and about 2.1 million cattle.)
Population Density: 15.5 per square mile (Rank 15 of JWR’s top 19 states).
Area: 83,437 square miles (rank 13 of 50).
Average car insurance cost: $608/yr. (rank 48 of 50).
Average home insurance cost: $326/yr. (rank 50 of 50).
Average Home Price in Clearwater County: $112,725
Average Home Price in Idaho County: $109,500
Average Home Price in Kootenai County: $112,849
Average Home Price in Latah County: $118,325 (skewed because of the large number of 120+ acre farms and ranches)
Crime Safety Ranking: 9 of 50.
Boston T. Party’s State Firearms Laws Ranking: 97%.
Per capita income: $23,727 (rank 41 of 50).
ACT & SAT Scores Ranking: 15 of 50.

Plusses: Low Very low crime rate. (For example, it ranks second from the bottom in car thefts of the 50 states.) Low property taxes. Inexpensive building permits. Minimally intrusive government. Inexpensive car registration ($20 to $50 per year, plus a one-time-only $15 plate fee.) Low car insurance rates. Low health insurance rates. Extremely low home insurance rates. (An average of $326 per year. Ranks #50 in the country!) The most wilderness area in any of the 48 Continental United States. (Only Alaska has more.) 21.6 million forested acres. Minimal gun laws. Class 3 guns (machineguns short barreled rifles and shotguns, and suppressors) are legal to own after the $200 Federal tax and background check. Open carry of handguns is legal and fairly commonplace. CCW permits must be issued unless someone has a prior criminal record. (“Non-discretionary.”) No CCW permit is required for concealed carry outside of city limits. Vehicular carry of loaded guns is legal and very common. Automatic knives are legal to own and carry. Minimally regulated home schooling. Low population density. Low elevation portions of the state have a fairly mild climate. Hunting and fishing are excellent in many parts of the state, so there will be no shortage of protein WTSHTF. High ratio of horse ownership, so I anticipate that transportation will be available in the event of a long term TEOTWAWKI. By 2025, Idaho is projected to be the 40th most populous with 1.7 million people. (It is currently the 39th most populous state.) Affordable property: The median home price for all of Idaho is $105,403. One useful web site: Idaho Department of Commerce Community Profiles.

Minuses: Has a relatively high state income tax. Sadly, 63.7% of Idaho’s lands are owned by federal government. (Mostly National Forest and BLM land.) But at least that provides a "really big back yard" for hunting and cutting firewood. Cold winters at the higher elevations. (Look for property in the low river valleys if you can’t stand snow!) Low wages compared to most coastal states.
JWR’s Combined Retreat Potential Ranking: 1 of 19. (JWR’s top choice!)

Link: http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html

Some interesting properties can also be found here:

http://www.survivalrealty.com/united-states/idaho/

[KestrelBike]

Just my 10 cents: I used to work in Boise 1 week every 5 weeks from 2005 - 2007 and the locals were complaining about the "Californication" of their state..... Lots of land where purchased by californians, who will then complain about hunters and shooting range nearby.... Typical.

It's a curse being from CA in terms of being associated with the liberals. The first thing I did when I moved here was get my plates changed and a CO drivers license so I could get my CCW and start purchasing firearms I've always wanted that were "illegal" in CA. I sometimes feel like there's resentment when I tell people that I've moved from CA but I really don't blame them. It was a dream of mine to leave CA and move here to CO for half a decade before I finally did. It's going to sound really f'ing corny, but to paraphrase Dances with Wolves, "I wanted to see America before it was all gone". California is truly not America anymore. Immigration from down South and Politics from Up North have absolutely ruined it. I really don't give a F anymore about accusations of racism when I mention the immigration stuff anymore, because all I need to do is point out what a s***hole mexico is as a country, and then point out that all the people moving up north from there are A) at poverty level and uneducated and B) bring the gov. dependence with them C) combine all of those, and it's a recipe for crime creation from the poverty. They're not here to be Americans, they don't give a shit about American tradition (if they did they'd fly American flags from their used-car dealerships, not Mexican flags, and yes I've seen it with my own eyes), they're here to escape Mexico and vote their prejudices.

I hear stories of how CO used to be and I can compare to how I see it now, and if I was a Native I'd be plenty damned pissed. I can tell you that it's definitely going to get worse, too. My GF's sister and BIL want to move to CO as soon as they can to raise their new family, and even though they're from the midwest, they've been working in CA for the past few years up in San Francisco (where they fit in PERFECTLY). It's really ironic because they want to move to CO from CA because of the problems that decades of democrat-politics and policies have done to the state, and now they're going to move to CO to do their part to mess it up, too. It's honestly a big issue between my GF and me.

I work in Denver, and it feels just like Southern California, if not worse. After Aurora and Sandyhook and people were (are?) afraid that a Colorado-AWB was going into affect, I really felt like I was in the Twilight Zone because I spent a lot of time and money to escape that crap in CA and here it is happening all over again. Right now with the economy it's difficult to command a good wage that lends itself to saving, but I've thought that if I get the money or if I can get the work-skills to support myself, I'd move to ID or MT or WY, and not just because I read Patriots and that's the best place to survive TEOTWAWKI or some fantasy, but because it's hopefully the last place to be swallowed by the hordes of ignorant entitle-lists. Unfortunately, CO is as rustic/rural/sparsely-populated as my GF is willing to get and one day I'm going to have to make a choice.

Shit what a depressing thread.