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    A FUN TITLE asmo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Orin Kerr's statement on house-to-house searches from the Volokh Conspiracy (emphasis added by me):
    the searches are reasonably limited in scope (such as limited to a specific geographic area)
    Back in my day "limited in scope" meant a particular item or very specific place (desk, briefcase, safe, etc)... Then limited scope meant whole rooms and attached locations.. Now it means whole subdivisions.. Next I guess it means whole towns..

    Slippery slope indeed.
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    What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?
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    I'll freely admit that I'm ignorant about Martial Law. I'm to lazy to look it up while at work so if anybody can advise me what they can/cannot do when declaring martial law, i would like to know. I have my own internal gut opinion but would like to hear more.
    Can they suspend 2A via Katrina?? hmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddywings View Post
    Can they suspend 2A via Katrina?? hmmm.....
    They have in the past - in Katrina. There was a law passed after to prevent that from happening again without a good cause.
    What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?
    -- Ayn Rand, Anthem (Chapter 11)

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmo View Post
    They have in the past - in Katrina. There was a law passed after to prevent that from happening again without a good cause.
    Right, so there has to be another law saying you can't violate 2A or 4A or 5A or hell 3A, even during Martial Law, or else it's free game? Seems kinda odd. I have the right to keep/bare arms right until the SHTF, then big brother just rolls in with martial law and poof, my rights go away?
    Honestly, I'm a bit ignorant here so I'm asking....
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddywings View Post
    I guess here is my concern. You got a mad bomber in the loose who has shot and killed a cop on top of his bombing deaths. I'm told to shelter in place. I'm sitting there with my gun on my hip and my AR besides me when I hear *BANG BANG BANG* against my front door. I grab my AR, peak out the front window and see the cops.
    Choose your own adventure here:
    A. Answer the door with my weapons in hand.
    B. Ask the cops what is the issue through the door and tell them I want to see a search warrant.
    C. Tell the cops to wait while I dearm myself. (and hope they don't bust the door down and blaze away-FYI, I have a dog so this doesn't bode well for her)

    Now I'm sure for all those anti-gunners in BeanTown, this wouldn't be a problem. At my house, it would be.

    Thoughts?
    What's wrong with Option D: Set the AR down and answer the door politely with pistol holstered and hands in view?

    You've already established (by peeking through the window) that it's cops at your door rather than gangbangers or Mafioso. Rather than make them wait (which can make them edgy), why not show you're not a threat? Why is it so many people here feel they have to treat the cops as if they were invading Russian paratroopers?

    The one time I was stopped while carrying, I kept my hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. I didn't pull my piece, demand a warrant, or tell the trooper to stay in his car while I dearmed.

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    Mike Rosen had a pretty good discussion with Cully Stimson from the Heritage Foundation on Monday morning about this exact subject.
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