Massachusetts Governor and Boston Police Commissioner "ask" residents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6rrmfp2QRbE
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Yes they were asked to stay home, but they shut down public transporation, from the eye witness reports to the comments made by those in the situation it sounded like they were scared of everything going on, including the law enforcement presence. What if people decided to go about their business, how much response would have gone down?
The presence in the two videos that were posted here with people video taping door to door searches in their beighborhood is what got me. I should clarify it wasnt offical Martial Law, but the strong arm of the "Militaristic" presence really did it for me. Some of the guys there were not even FBI or local LEO, they were ATF. A little overreaching and over bearing................
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I arrived in Manila 11 days before Marcos declared martial law in '72 and it wasn't all that different from how Boston appeared on the news....except there weren't door to door searches.
Ordering an entire metro area to stay inside, close businesses (except Dunkin' Donuts ...) and shut down all transit systems is far more than many martial law declarations have done.Attempting to protect the general population through such an order or even evacuation of a few houses in a neighborhood due to dangerous circumstances doesn't equate to martial law, either.
Frankly, its was both utterly illegal, inappropriate and completely ridiculous.
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I believe it was a test and a clever one.
By not issuing an order to stay inside, but making it a request, it was much less innocuous, thus setting the stage for future events. Slowly getting the public used to the idea that the police/mayor/governor are only looking out for their best interests.
Trust Big Brother.
This yahoo had been identified late Tuesday or early Wednesday and was still on the loose, but the request to "shelter in place" was not issued until Friday?
Obama saw his latest photo op on Thursday in Boston, so evidently this remaining terrorist was not too dangerous until after Obama left Boston?
Why was the request to "shelter in place" issued AFTER commuters were already at or on their way to work and school?
How about shutting down the T and taxi services?
BG, you asked "What government?" Gov. Deval Patrick (a government official I believe) issued the "shelter at home" request, correct? Didn't Gov. Deval Patrick also issue the orders to shut down mass transit? As I understand it, a governor is the highest ranking GOVERNMENT official of each state and not just some random civilian.
That government.
How much disruption of mass transit was there following the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building bombing in Oklahoma City? There were no issued requests or orders to "shelter in place" while the suspects were still unknown or known but not yet aprehended.
How about the DC snipers? Was mass transit shut down and the citizenry requested to "cower in fear"? Was DC placed in "lockdown"? No.
Is Chicago placed in lockdown every night due to the mass shootings that occur on an almost daily basis? No.
Just some items to ponder.
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Incremental usurpation of rights and liberties by the federal gov't...I'll buy that. That's been happening for a long time. The fed has far exceeded the powers granted it by the Constitution. I don't believe in any way the Boston incident was some sort of test but respect your choice in believing that.
Because I don't think the state and/or local gov'ts had a clue where this guy was until the MIT shooting on Thurs night. All of this began to unfold Thurs night and into Fri morning. So the fact the order wasn't issued until then would seem to indicate a lot of restraint on the part of the state/local gov'ts, in my opinion.
That's why I was asking. Many people use "gov't" as a generic term for the feds. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
In OKC after the bombing the governor did issue a state of emergency and ordered most, if not all, non-essential workers be released for the day for their safety. Pres Clinton also considered grounding air traffic out of OKC because it was thought the bomber might try to escape. Granted, he never did this. But, there were some similar steps taken to protect the public. Also, McVeigh was arrested 90 minutes after the bomb went off.
It would've been difficult to lock-down an entire region when the DC-area snipers were active. Plus, that incident lasted far, far longer. I'm don't recall but I'd be surprised if the local gov'ts didn't issue safety advisories of some sort to the general population. Chicago? Go figure. A bastion of liberal blight with out-of-control crime. It's not the same as terrorism.
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