Martial Law

[Dave_L]

Did you guys see all the articles on all the contraband they confiscated during the door to door searches? All those "other" criminals that they grabbed during the searches? Neither did I.

There was an obvious close danger to those residents. The members on this forum are generally a bit more prepared for something like that but not all of the country is as responsible. A lot of people count on the policy to protect them and thats their right, just as it is ours to not count on them. Could you imagine how clouded things would be if you added 100 residents scowling the neighborhoods with their AR-15's? This is way different than full on riots in the streets. They were looking for a single person and they were just asking to keep the public space clear so it's easier to notice one person slinking in and out of alleys/cars/etc. Clear all the bullshit outta the way to make the job easier. We can all understand that.

Just my $.02.

[losttrail]

Did you guys see all the articles on all the contraband they confiscated during the door to door searches? All those "other" criminals that they grabbed during the searches? Neither did I.

There was an obvious close danger to those residents. The members on this forum are generally a bit more prepared for something like that but not all of the country is as responsible. A lot of people count on the policy to protect them and thats their right, just as it is ours to not count on them. Could you imagine how clouded things would be if you added 100 residents scowling the neighborhoods with their AR-15's? This is way different than full on riots in the streets. They were looking for a single person and they were just asking to keep the public space clear so it's easier to notice one person slinking in and out of alleys/cars/etc. Clear all the bullshit outta the way to make the job easier. We can all understand that.

Just my $.02.

What I did see was that once the 'lockdown' was lifted, a private citizen, exercising his right to kill himself with cigarettes, located the terrorist. So what did the lockdown and door-to-door searches accomplish?

It sent a lesson to the citizens that the 4th and 14th Amendments are easily suspended based upon a supposed threat. No, I am not saying that the threat was fictional. It was real and I agree that it makes sense to reduce the number of innocents from the equation.

I just don't see all that happened as 100% benign.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Your friend's donut shop staying open is a fairly poor example of normality. Even with all of the non-LE on full lock-down, it was still probably his largest sales day of the year!

Hence why I use it as an example. Furthermore.. Many businesses chose to open, media are allowed to move freely. They ask folks to stay home, never ordered them.

[Bailey Guns]

Hence why I use it as an example. Furthermore.. Many businesses chose to open, media are allowed to move freely. They ask folks to stay home, never ordered them.

I was just going to use the media example...thanks for bringing that up. For a city under "martial law" that was a shit-load of media people in vehicles, on foot and in their helicopters. Not to mention, in a lot of those press conference videos I saw people and cars moving freely about.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Awareness is good. Paranoia is not.

[muddywings]

Awareness is good. Paranoia is not.

not even just a weee bit??

[Bailey Guns]

I'll also concede that people in urban, liberal-controlled areas are typically less prepared and less self-reliant than people in rural or isolated areas. I'll concede most people need someone, whether it's the police, the government or their employer, telling them what to do and how to do it every waking moment of their day.

That's their choice in personal lifestyle. If one chooses to be dependent on the gov't, what're you gonna do about it?

My wife and I were ordered by the sheriff's dept to evacuate due to a wildfire several years ago. I told the deputy "thanks for the information and your concern" but we'll leave when we decide it's appropriate. He said, "Fine. I hope you get out in time because no one will be here to help you." We knew that and understood that and we were prepared to accept the consequences of not abandoning our home.

Not everyone will accept the premise they are responsible for their lives. Unfortunately.

[Dave_L]

I'll also concede that people in urban, liberal-controlled areas are typically less prepared and less self-reliant than people in rural or isolated areas. I'll concede most people need someone, whether it's the police, the government or their employer, telling them what to do and how to do it every waking moment of their day.

That's their choice in personal lifestyle. If one chooses to be dependent on the gov't, what're you gonna do about it?

My wife and I were ordered by the sheriff's dept to evacuate due to a wildfire several years ago. I told the deputy "thanks for the information and your concern" but we'll leave when we decide it's appropriate. He said, "Fine. I hope you get out in time because no one will be here to help you." We knew that and understood that and we were prepared to accept the consequences of not abandoning our home.

Not everyone will accept the premise they are responsible for their lives. Unfortunately.

A country boy can survive. It's not just a song.

[davsel]

I'd call it a "virtual martial law," or perhaps a "voluntary martial law" at best.

I am not aware of anyone being arrested for "violating" the "shelter in place" request.
Some of the video of LE Officers clearing houses appears a bit authoritative, given the "request," but I haven't seen enough to form a solid opinion yet.

Actually, I am impressed with the number of people who stayed the hell out of the LE Officers' way throughout the event.

However, there are always the few who are clueless:

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2013/0...rnaevs-arrest/

Emmanuel Der Torossian and his daughter Julie, 13, whose back porch overlooks Franklin St., ventured into the streets for a stroll soon after the police lifted the curfew in the neighborhood at 6 p.m.

If 1000 LE officers just had a shootout and 20-something hour search in my neighborhood, I would not "venture into the streets for a stroll" with my 13 year old daughter minutes after being told, "We did not catch him yet."

Get what they deserve - morons.

[muddywings]

I got some down time here at the sweat shop so I'll jump back in here.
I totally get where Bailey is coming from and I'm sure he is probably thinking of this thread here: http://www.ar-15.co/threads/100019-H...o-house-Search
While from what little I know about BG from here I totally respect his/your point of view and opinion as they are always well thought out and articulate. I'm not sure if this post is referencing my thoughts in the linked thread but I did state in there that I'm ignorant of M.Law, and was asking for input.

That being said, simply because someone didn't proclaim ML from the Capital Building, doesn't mean they invoked some aspects of in this situation. Even as a former LEO myself (albeit a short time) I generally don't consider myself an expert. However, my father-in-law is a retired S. Deputy who did everything under the sun so I defer a lot to his expertise. While he never said "Martial Law" he did say a lot of what they did (from we can see) does stink...a lot and we both agree.

The one video I posted in the linked thread, IMHO, 'looks bad.' While, without proper context, a priest giving a young boy a lollipop can look bad too. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...you know the rest.

In the linked thread, I also looped back to Katrina as I was looking for more information on how these situations affect our rights. I'm still unsure.

Again, I will just say that, it looks bad! And even though I'm ex-.mil, ex-LEO, now .gov, I'm not a big fan of government. I've seen too much of the inside to know they are generally not looking out for the individual but only looking out for the .gov machine.