Martial Law

[Chad4000]

Yeah, we have ARs. Legally owned ARs. Plenty of crimes have been committed with ARs and other guns and I've never heard of the police going door-to-door to confiscate guns.

And I'm not necessarily sticking up for the police or city/state gov't here. And I don't think the police did their jobs to perfection. If they had, they wouldn't have overlooked the suspect in area previously searched. I'm just not ready to see a big, bad boogie man in this incident.

Wanna talk about massive gov't overreach? Let's talk Waco or Ruby Ridge or Katrina. I'll be all ears. But I'm not going to make bad guys or bad things out of a situation where they really don't exist (overall...not individually).

oh absolutely... I think we are a little closer then I thought before.. I will say though, that we have also had bombings where they didnt go door to door like they just did. also, with how strict some of the legislation is/might be, i forsee situations where weapons must be confiscated "until the legality can be sorted out". As in, "you have magazines that are banned", "wait officer, they have been in my continuos possession since July 1st". "Ok well once that is proven you can have your stuff back".

[Ronin13]

I cordon off the area that was so defined. I don't order an entire metro area of millions of people to hide under their desks for a day, shut down all businesses (except Dunkin' Donuts - because its too dangerous for everyone but $7 an hour donut fryers ) and shut down all transit for the entire area.

I can't find anything, but I'm curious to know, are we sure the SIP request was for the entirety of Boston or just Watertown? Having been to both locations (Boston, Watertown and Cambridge) I can say that the actual area in question isn't very large.

I leave my house at 2:30-3am to go to work and arrive at work roughly 1 hour later. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the nation. But I will give you that one if it was 4am. I'm reasonably sure that there are/were commuters heading from Boston to NYC on the trains at that time and I saw a few people interviewed from the area that were asking the same questions. My experiences in large cities is that at 4am, there are a fair amount of folks up and about.
I'll give you that, however, I don't believe a substantial amount of people, fair amount, yes, but unable to define exactly how many, let's not split hairs, point is some were, most were not.

DDP is fun to watch and get some ideas from, and who knows, maybe a lot of them are right. I sure don't see our economy or society getting better any time soon.
We're in agreement here. Things are sure to get worse before getting better.

I will ask this: Above Chief of Police, chain of command all the way to the top please. And in an EoW/SHTF scenario, who would the police be under command of?
I'm not an expert, but from my experience I believe (again, not an expert or know for sure, just from what I've learned) above Chief, Bailey is partially correct, city manager>mayor>governor>POTUS. In a SHTF/EOTWAWKI scenario, why does it matter? It's the end, we shouldn't get hung up on this as it's a bit far fetched and not productive to this discussion- ie: the world didn't end and only a minor bit of shit hit any fans.

I can't answer that because I am not privy to all the information that was available to them. But just because I am not privy to all that information, does that mean I am not allowed to ask questions or point out items that I find odd?

I'm not saying you can't ask questions, but you are criticizing the actions of a department based solely on emotion and speculative conjecture, and without offering how you would do it differently I would say that it's counter-productive to be overly critical when you yourself claim you don't have all the facts.

[jhood001]

[Aloha_Shooter]

I can't find anything, but I'm curious to know, are we sure the SIP request was for the entirety of Boston or just Watertown? Having been to both locations (Boston, Watertown and Cambridge) I can say that the actual area in question isn't very large.

The news reports on Friday referenced 400,000 people on lockdown. The populations of Watertown, Cambridge and Boston are roughly 33k, 105k, and 626k respectively with about 4.5M in the Greater Boston area so I think we can safely say it was the entire city of Boston but Watertown plus a wide radius. This jives with the guys from Boston that I met with yesterday who said Friday was basically a normal workday for them (but they work more on the outskirts of the city).

[sellersm]

That video doesn't exactly look "voluntary" to me... So what, exactly, is the point of this thread? Man is capable of such things, or even worse, as history proves.

[Chad4000]

yup... exactly.... people who dont meet the description being search... hands in the air..... no thanks....................

[mtnhack]

Ok, that video doesn't look good. That is not what I imagined the door to door looked like.

[Bailey Guns]

I got some down time here at the sweat shop so I'll jump back in here.
I totally get where Bailey is coming from and I'm sure he is probably thinking of this thread here: http://www.ar-15.co/threads/100019-H...o-house-Search
While from what little I know about BG from here I totally respect his/your point of view and opinion as they are always well thought out and articulate. I'm not sure if this post is referencing my thoughts in the linked thread but I did state in there that I'm ignorant of M.Law, and was asking for input.

That being said, simply because someone didn't proclaim ML from the Capital Building, doesn't mean they invoked some aspects of in this situation. Even as a former LEO myself (albeit a short time) I generally don't consider myself an expert. However, my father-in-law is a retired S. Deputy who did everything under the sun so I defer a lot to his expertise. While he never said "Martial Law" he did say a lot of what they did (from we can see) does stink...a lot and we both agree.

The one video I posted in the linked thread, IMHO, 'looks bad.' While, without proper context, a priest giving a young boy a lollipop can look bad too. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...you know the rest.

In the linked thread, I also looped back to Katrina as I was looking for more information on how these situations affect our rights. I'm still unsure.

Again, I will just say that, it looks bad! And even though I'm ex-.mil, ex-LEO, now .gov, I'm not a big fan of government. I've seen too much of the inside to know they are generally not looking out for the individual but only looking out for the .gov machine.

Really don't know what sparked the idea of the thread, honestly. And frankly, I got out of LE when I did for a couple of reasons...one of which was I didn't like the direction LE was going from my early days. So I completely understand the sensitivities some have to LE abusing their powers. On the other hand I can tell you that even the most remote sign of misconduct on the street towards a complaining citizen was unlikely to end well for the officers. At least in the places I worked. This whole "abuse" thing works both ways.

When you've been sued for 16 million dollars because some punk kid lies about what you did, and have to spend 7 days in a federal courtroom proving your innocence, let me know how you feel then.

[Bailey Guns]

yup... exactly.... people who dont meet the description being search... hands in the air..... no thanks....................

Exactly. Criminals never have accomplices or others that they coerce into helping them. There are other possibilities, ya know, even though the video doesn't put LE in the best light. But hey...you're free to judge.

[hatidua]

Ok, that video doesn't look good. That is not what I imagined the door to door looked like.

Imagine, for a moment, if someone who carries daily, was sitting innocently at their computer when the banging on the door occurs. You are yelled at to get out of your house, after which you are searched by other LEO's down the street. Your hands are in the air and they discover a pistol inside your waistband...I can't imagine that going too well for the victims dental work when they hit the ground face-first with a boot on their back.