Martial Law

[clublights]

What if Bostonians were not 99% disarmed?

What if our politicians had created a national, state and local attitude that ALL CITIZENS are responsible for our own, our family and our neighbors welfare instead of relying on a telephone and hiding under the bed?

What if we lived in a nation where it was known that 50% or more of the adult populace was potentially armed and trained?

What if we lived in a nation where terrorism of any kind was not tolerated?

What if we lived in a nation that did not coddle criminals or criminal behavior?

What if we lived in a nation where the death penalty was used as a deterent not just an opportunity for criminals to have access to law books that most lawyers cannot afford, unlimited appeals, 10, 15, 20, 40 years of free room and board, free healthcare, free education, now free sex change operations?

What if we lived in a nation of people that believed in their own personal freedom and personal responsibility?

I for one never called the SIP request an order. I simply called into question whether or not this could have been viewed as a training exercise for seeing how the masses will react to potential martial laws scenarios in the future. I believe that some of the measures were prudent. But timing and other measures make me wonder.

What if the FBI followed up on the leads provided by FSB on the older brother?

I'm not a personal fan of the what if games. What if we would have banned all those assault rifles and nasty high capacity clips back in the 90s permanently...Sandy Hook would not have happened?
Freedom ain't pretty even when

Both of these are long term issues that have taken or would take years to correct/get to where they are .. AKA strategic .

the SIP Requests were tactical and short lived to cover a very real dynamic situation.

[Bailey Guns]

What if Bostonians were not 99% disarmed?

What if our politicians had created a national, state and local attitude that ALL CITIZENS are responsible for our own, our family and our neighbors welfare instead of relying on a telephone and hiding under the bed?

What if we lived in a nation where it was known that 50% or more of the adult populace was potentially armed and trained?

What if we lived in a nation where terrorism of any kind was not tolerated?

What if we lived in a nation that did not coddle criminals or criminal behavior?

What if we lived in a nation where the death penalty was used as a deterent not just an opportunity for criminals to have access to law books that most lawyers cannot afford, unlimited appeals, 10, 15, 20, 40 years of free room and board, free healthcare, free education, now free sex change operations?

What if we lived in a nation of people that believed in their own personal freedom and personal responsibility?

I for one never called the SIP request an order. I simply called into question whether or not this could have been viewed as a training exercise for seeing how the masses will react to potential martial laws scenarios in the future. I believe that some of the measures were prudent. But timing and other measures make me wonder.

What if we didn't live in a country where we're free to vote in the politicians that pass the laws that cause some of the above things to happen? The people of MA are by and large very liberal and mostly agree with the gun laws and such. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to live as they choose? Isn't that the point of our system of gov't?

Just like in Colorado. The people spoke and the likes of John Morse and Rhonda Fields and Evie Hudak were, as far as I know, lawfully elected. I find people with their views to be very distasteful and I wouldn't piss on any of 'em if they were on fire. But they were elected as lawmakers through our system of government. The argument can be made that they are doing what their constituents want.

And how can you imply terrorism is tolerated here? On the one hand you're saying the gov't has overreached in the pursuit of a terrorist and and on the other you're saying (or at least implying) that terrorism is tolerated. Which is it?

And personally, I think the death penalty is meant to be punishment, not a deterrent. It might serve as a deterrent to some, but that's not what it's designed to do. It's the ultimate punishment.

[clublights]

**SNIP**

And personally, I think the death penalty is meant to be punishment, not a deterrent. It might serve as a deterrent to some, but that's not what it's designed to do. It's the ultimate punishment.

Isn't all punishment a deterrent?

I mean I won't modify my barrel to less then 16" or modify my AR to full-auto because of the punishment I could face for doing it. It's a deterrent.

[losttrail]

What if the FBI followed up on the leads provided by FSB on the older brother?

I'm not a personal fan of the what if games. What if we would have banned all those assault rifles and nasty high capacity clips back in the 90s permanently...Sandy Hook would not have happened?
Freedom ain't pretty even when

I'm not a fan of 'what if' either. I just did that to show that we could 'what if' our entire lives and never reach a conclusion.

[Bailey Guns]

Isn't all punishment a deterrent?

I mean I won't modify my barrel to less then 16" or modify my AR to full-auto because of the punishment I could face for doing it. It's a deterrent.

It is to me. Probably just semantics.

[davsel]

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!

Remove a layer of tinfoil:
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/...otout-pictures

[clublights]

Losttrail,

Scrolling back ..( page 2 post # 19) I don't think you know the chain of events that lead to the SIP request.....

the late evening of Thursday/ early morning friday, these brothers killed an MIT campus Cop, then Carjacked a guy. then sortly after the police caught up to them and they lead the police in a rolling firefight thru the streets of boston while throwing grenades at the following police. at some point they stopped the car .... tho continued the fire fight, with the older brother being killed and the younger escaping ( while supposedly running his own brother over with the car) only AFTER all of this in " short order" ( over just a few hours) was the SIP request Issued and the public transport such as the T shut down.

[clublights]

It is to me. Probably just semantics.

Your probably correct...

but like in my example above .. if the only punishment was to have an ATF agent wag his finger at me saying " your not supposed to do that" I'd probably do it. but the idea of going to federal pound me in the ass prison for a few years deters me from breaking those laws.

[clublights]

Remove a layer of tinfoil:
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/...otout-pictures

none of the pics are loading for me ....

damn it .. I even turned adblock off..

[Bailey Guns]

The guy took the photos down about 10 mins ago. Bummer.