Martial Law

[losttrail]

[QUOTE=Bailey Guns;1095321]What if we didn't live in a country where we're free to vote in the politicians that pass the laws that cause some of the above things to happen? The people of MA are by and large very liberal and mostly agree with the gun laws and such. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to live as they choose? Isn't that the point of our system of gov't?

Just like in Colorado. The people spoke and the likes of John Morse and Rhonda Fields and Evie Hudak were, as far as I know, lawfully elected. I find people with their views to be very distasteful and I wouldn't piss on any of 'em if they were on fire. But they were elected as lawmakers through our system of government. The argument can be made that they are doing what their constituents want.

And how can you imply terrorism is tolerated here? On the one hand you're saying the gov't has overreached in the pursuit of a terrorist and and on the other you're saying (or at least implying) that terrorism is tolerated. Which is it?

Both. The possible overreach in Boston is an example.

Conversely the examples of drug cartels infringing across our border into Phoenix, AZ and other cities, kidnapping American citizens is an example of terrorism not being squelched. Our government putting up signs miles within our own border warning American citizens that Mexican drug gangs are operating in the area and it is not safe to hike, camp, motorcycle or ATV in those areas is an example of terrorism being tolerated.

And personally, I think the death penalty is meant to be punishment, not a deterrent. It might serve as a deterrent to some, but that's not what it's designed to do. It's the ultimate punishment.

If the death penalty were swift, efficient and public, it would be a deterrent. If people knew that if they committed murder, drug trafficing to children, pedophillia, rape, whatever we as society deem to be capital offenses, should they be caught in the act and/or convicted by a perponderance of evidence, would be publicly executed within 24 hours, it would be a deterrent.

If convicted of a capital offense without a perponderance of evidence, given one appeal within 12 months. If still found guilty, public execution, that would be a deterrent.

As it is there are a number of capital offense that have been committed around the country by persons that purposfully committed their crimes in states WITHOUT the death penalty because they knew they could not be put to death.

Punishment should be a deterrent as well as a consequence.

When we were little, didn't we all make some decisions based upon whether or not we would get our backsides warmed? Potential of punishment was a deterrent.

[losttrail]

Losttrail,

Scrolling back ..( page 2 post # 19) I don't think you know the chain of events that lead to the SIP request.....

the late evening of Thursday/ early morning friday, these brothers killed an MIT campus Cop, then Carjacked a guy. then sortly after the police caught up to them and they lead the police in a rolling firefight thru the streets of boston while throwing grenades at the following police. at some point they stopped the car .... tho continued the fire fight, with the older brother being killed and the younger escaping ( while supposedly running his own brother over with the car) only AFTER all of this in " short order" ( over just a few hours) was the SIP request Issued and the public transport such as the T shut down.

Thanks for the concise clarification of the timeline.

I still question things though. Maybe my theory of it being a possible test of citizen reaction is wrong. I hope so. But I still believe it is good to think about possible alternative reasons and ask questions.

[clublights]

The guy took the photos down about 10 mins ago. Bummer.

there are still links to some of the pics on his twitter feed..as well as a video during the shootout ( real dark cant see much )

https://twitter.com/AKitz

Link to the video

http://twitter.yfrog.com/1fu2xpnryybxwjqpdtnynwdaz?sa=0

[Ronin13]

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!

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[Bailey Guns]

People have been killing other people since the beginning of peoplehood. And they've done it in places where the punishment of death was oftentimes immediate and not pretty. But yet people continued to kill, and still do to this day. When someone is sentenced to death and spends 20+ years on death row, I don't see that as much of a deterrent most criminals are going to ponder.

Just to be clear, I'm a strong supporter of capital punishment because it's punishment that fits the crime...not because it's a deterrent.

The death penalty is an entirely different discussion, though.

[clublights]

here is a pic from that guys instagram of the brothers shooting at the cops

http://instagram.com/p/YRlJQEDxin/

[Dave_L]

People have been killing other people since the beginning of peoplehood. And they've done it in places where the punishment of death was oftentimes immediate and not pretty. But yet people continued to kill, and still do to this day. When someone is sentenced to death and spends 20+ years on death row, I don't see that as much of a deterrent most criminals are going to ponder.

Just to be clear, I'm a strong supporter of capital punishment because it's punishment that fits the crime...not because it's a deterrent.

The death penalty is an entirely different discussion, though.

The only thing that stops criminals is making the reward not worth the consequences. For some, you'll never be able to do that. People can be evil and twisted. "Some people just want to watch the world burn."

[Bailey Guns]

I bet the cops were happy those two were illuminating themselves in their own headlights. That's pretty thoughtful of them.

The twitter thing doesn't do me any good. I'm not Twitliterate...don't really know how to use it.

[clublights]

I bet the cops were happy those two were illuminating themselves in their own headlights. That's pretty thoughtful of them.

The twitter thing doesn't do me any good. I'm not Twitliterate...don't really know how to use it.

I'm not a twitter guy either.. but ifyou scroll down to his posts from the 19th some have links to pics

[Chad4000]

Exactly. Criminals never have accomplices or others that they coerce into helping them. There are other possibilities, ya know, even though the video doesn't put LE in the best light. But hey...you're free to judge.

Youre losing me again BG.... any reason to believe this guy had accomplices? any reason to believe any of those people posed a threat? exactly....... clearing houses like that is not cool. no matter how pissy we all get about a pressure cooker bomb or two.


I will be judging....